M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

On topic of reads of players I will post my updated reads of players based off day 2 by the end of real life day since I will be busy tomorrow packing and I will be at the airport for EON tomorrow in case yall want to scum read my absence tomorrow.

I'm going to FL so I can send yall my flight details in case you need proof. : )

[Bonatogether]

i think it's relatively clear that bozo the clown is scum

Relative to what?

previously

[DeathLlama8]

I'm going to FL so I can send yall my flight details in case you need proof. : )

yeah I'm going to need your ticket and also your ID to verify this

[Bonatogether]

why is thread dead? eod was informative

[DeathLlama8]

gotta grind
will analyze eod before d3 starts (and I probably also owe snowy a ghug reread eventually)

[DeathLlama8]

i also want to reread eod1 knowing snowy was town but that might have to wait

[Squigs44]

why is thread dead? eod was informative

Watching wheel of time. Hope to post before I got to bed tho

[DeathLlama8]

okay where is everyone else though

[dargorygel]

RIP snowy

See y'all in the morning.

[Squigs44]

Question: What evidence supports or rejects the idea that bozo and sabi are scummates?

Let's start by looking at Bozo and his reads/posts about Sabi:
Day 1 - nothing in regards to Sabi's alignment.
Night 1 - this post that puts Sabi as town

I think Bonatogether vs. Squigs and BesharamSabi vs. worcej were both likely town vs. town. If this is correct, the mafia (probably 3) are in celaph, damo, DeathLlama, foodcoats, ghug, Jamie, and snowy.

Day 2 - Made a post that tangentially affirms the townread of Sabi, but nothing explicit

From Bozo's posts, there really isn't anything interesting here. But now let us look at Sabi:
Day 1 - Here is an excerpt from Sabi's 4 part essay:

You only have four post so it's rather difficult to read you. If you could stop lurking and expand on your vote on Squigs and not voting for the other two people you suspect and the reasoning behind all of this it would be greatly appreciated.

And after Jamie votes for Bozo we have our first sus post:

##Vote Bozotheclown

HI Jamiet, I'm back at it asking for explanation for this vote to help my analysis.

Why are you voting for bozo and what caused this? What does bozo need to do to get the sus off of him for you? Thank you ahead of time.

Why does Sabi need to know what Bozo should do to get Jamie to stop voting him?

Sabi also makes several posts throughout day 1 such as this excerpt:

Wish bozo had more posts that weren't so vague.

This could potentially be Sabi asking scummate Bozo to put more effort into the game since he was being voted and scumread during this time.

Another day 1 post where Sabi defends Bozo:

I'd rather have Bozo that Worcej

##Vote Bozo

What makes bozo more scum/weaker town player than worcej? Bozo atleast has made comments about the game and has voted several times that weren't joke votes like worcej.

Maybe I'm missing something about bozo that you and food can see that I can't. Worcej just seems worse to me I dunno.

Here is Sabi's first actual read of Bozo:

I need to think about their further, I doubt bozo is scum so I don't think he was a bus. Mafia got vibes that bozo wagon wasn't viable and it would be weird and off to cause a counter wagon to worcej wagon? But then again your right they could want us to miskill.

And final excerpt from day 1:

I think bozo should live a day. If his day 2 is like this even after his explanation and word then yea we hammer him.

So between Sabi giving Bozo that townread and the EoD, Bozo doesn't make a single post. And yet when Sabi gives Night 1 reads, Sabi suddenly has a scumread of Bozo:

Bozotheclown:
Scumlean. Barely active and leaves weird one liners. Tried to appeal to emotion with with his claim that he was busy in day one and will be active following that seemed like a cheap act looking back at it now. He said he would be back before EOD and he wasn't. I would not mind wagoning him day 2 if he continues to be low engagement. He's a town liability if he is town.

Potentially scum Sabi was instructed in scumchat to stop defending Bozo, so Sabi switched view on Bozo. Town Sabi could have just ran out of patience.

Now day 2, when Sabi was less active. The first interaction we get is Sabi responding to a Bozo post and including this:

I'm glad you are active again. Happy to see you engaging and what not.

Throughout most of day 2, doesn't really update their read on Bozo, but has an interaction or two, like this post containing questions.

Halfway through day 2 gives a scumteam, which includes Bozo:

@Sabi with all your questionning/hunting what is your best guess at the scumteam then?

Hmm basing off what my notes are saying:

Snowy damo bozo squigs is my best guess for the maximum of four scum.

Reasoning behind it I have seen Squigs argue and interact with most people except not much with snowy.

Snowy kept defending damo/bozo.

Foods might have a point about bozo trying to ATE us on day 1 to live another day as scum.

Snowy because I feel like he's trying to buddy me like in m70.

Squigs is the least scumread one because I keep flipping between scum and null with them.

And late in day 2 gives this post (included for context):

Snowy = my highest of scum reads, keeps making excuses for inactiveness,tried to ATE us with that long winded post, his strategy in day one makes no sense, has tried to buddy me a lot which is giving me m70 vibes.

Damo = one of my other strong scum reads. I have explained this before but I could be biased in my scum read of him.

G hug = I actually don't want to vote for you but when I was making the post it seemed like a wagon was beginning to form but yea I don't read you as scum.

Followed by this post:

Bozo has been making more of an effort than the other two. Has been engaging more.

Now here is the real kicker for me:

Fine fine fine, time to decide between bozo or snowy.

This is so hard.

Ugh I hate this.

Whatever I will do the vote thingy.

##VOTE snowy

Given the re-read I have made on Sabi, Sabi made it pretty clear that Snowy was their top scumread (confirmed in this N2 post), preferred over Bozo. So why does this post include the theatrics of a public agonizing over this decision? To me, this looks like scum Sabi voting for Snowy (putting that wagon at 4 to tie the bozo wagon) but knowing that after Bozo and Snowy flip as TvS this is going to look bad, so they are trying to give themselves better optics by saying I was really agonizing over the decision. I don't see any reason for town Sabi to make a post in this fashion given the reads they had given up to this point.

And then of course after Snowy flips we get this post:

So we can't afford anymore miskills.

We, including myself in this, suck as town.

I'm sorry snowy but you were a pretty bad town and selfish strategy in day one cost the town the game. Never do that strategy aagain. Like what were you thinking there???

Which also feels fake and scum theater trying to soften the miskill that Sabi was just a major part of.

[Squigs44]

Tl;dr for those who don't like reading:
Sabi made two posts (included below) that feel like fake scum theater. This, plus Sabi making a couple posts defending Bozo early on, then a sudden change to scumreading Bozo (but not a top scumread) suggest a possible Sabi/Bozo scumpair.

Fine fine fine, time to decide between bozo or snowy.

This is so hard.

Ugh I hate this.

Whatever I will do the vote thingy.

##VOTE snowy

So we can't afford anymore miskills.

We, including myself in this, suck as town.

I'm sorry snowy but you were a pretty bad town and selfish strategy in day one cost the town the game. Never do that strategy aagain. Like what were you thinking there???

[Squigs44]

Now I just need people I trust to tell me if I am tinfoiling or actually onto something

[Squigs44]

This is the best part of the game, cause scum start to get tired and slip up and town finally have enough info to start putting pieces together and solve.

[BesharamSabi]

Now I just need people I trust to tell me if I am tinfoiling or actually onto something

I mean if it makes you happy keep doing this and try to make this a solid wagon because town can't afford another miskill.

You also conviently missed post of me asking bozo to put in effort or he would be a day two kill. You literally ignored me saying he was using ATE to avoid being wagoned in day 1.

The posts you chose are cherry picked at best to make me look worse. Nice strategy. Glad you read through all 250 posts and ignored the ones I did mention.

Interesting choices Squigs.

[ghug]

Now I just need people I trust to tell me if I am tinfoiling or actually onto something

I mean if it makes you happy keep doing this and try to make this a solid wagon because town can't afford another miskill.

You also conviently missed post of me asking bozo to put in effort or he would be a day two kill. You literally ignored me saying he was using ATE to avoid being wagoned in day 1.

The posts you chose are cherry picked at best to make me look worse. Nice strategy. Glad you read through all 250 posts and ignored the ones I did mention.

Interesting choices Squigs.

I don't but his case or think you're scum but this post is gross.

[Squigs44]

Now I just need people I trust to tell me if I am tinfoiling or actually onto something

I mean if it makes you happy keep doing this and try to make this a solid wagon because town can't afford another miskill.

You also conviently missed post of me asking bozo to put in effort or he would be a day two kill. You literally ignored me saying he was using ATE to avoid being wagoned in day 1.

The posts you chose are cherry picked at best to make me look worse. Nice strategy. Glad you read through all 250 posts and ignored the ones I did mention.

Interesting choices Squigs.

For the ATE thing, can you link that post? A ctrl+f of ATE finds this post which I included, and a post where you used it in reference to Snowy.

For the part where you said Bozo would be a kill if he didn't put in effort I included this post and this post, which both cover that. I'm not sure if you missed those or you were referring to something else and I'm misunderstanding?

I couldn't include every single post you've made (it's already larger than I want it to be), but I tried to include any post I thought was relevant to the progression of your Bozo relationship. I used ctrl+f with "Bozo", I didn't read all 17000 words you've written so far, so it's possible something didn't get caught by that as well

[ghug]

Now I just need people I trust to tell me if I am tinfoiling or actually onto something

I mean if it makes you happy keep doing this and try to make this a solid wagon because town can't afford another miskill.

You also conviently missed post of me asking bozo to put in effort or he would be a day two kill. You literally ignored me saying he was using ATE to avoid being wagoned in day 1.

The posts you chose are cherry picked at best to make me look worse. Nice strategy. Glad you read through all 250 posts and ignored the ones I did mention.

Interesting choices Squigs.

I don't but his case or think you're scum but this post is gross.

Buy*

[Squigs44]

Now I just need people I trust to tell me if I am tinfoiling or actually onto something

I mean if it makes you happy keep doing this and try to make this a solid wagon because town can't afford another miskill.

You also conviently missed post of me asking bozo to put in effort or he would be a day two kill. You literally ignored me saying he was using ATE to avoid being wagoned in day 1.

The posts you chose are cherry picked at best to make me look worse. Nice strategy. Glad you read through all 250 posts and ignored the ones I did mention.

Interesting choices Squigs.

I don't but his case or think you're scum but this post is gross.

Okay, so thats more of a "tinfoil" than "onto something" from you, ghug? Usually when I make these long cases I have confirmation bias goggles, but I like to revisit a townread of mine when I see something that pings me otherwise to keep myself from getting complacent.

[BesharamSabi]

Anyway I am going to go do my day two reads after I posts the post that my dear friend Squigs neglected to cherry pick.

@Sabi

Other questions you could answer:
Who in the game do you think is most deserving of the title "useless town". Someone who isn't really helping but is probably not mafia.

How should we deal with the lurkers?

If you had to flip one person right now purely for info and not alignment, whose flip do you think gives the most info?

how should we deal with lurkers?

I think keep sending them more and more questions to force them to engage. If that doesn't work then start flash wagons and see if that gets them to post. If that also fails then try to hammer them because at that point they are wasting everyone's time and hurting town chances because they don't want to put in the effort.

If you had to flip one person right now purely for info and not alignment, whose flip do you think gives the most info?

At this point it would be either of the two lurkers (bozo and bo). They haven't engaged in this game or said anything of note. I'm sorry for repeatedly tunneling on this but why did bo do that invalid vote. I do get scummy vibes from that action so yes I'm concerned about it. Also bozo, it would be cool if yiu had more than four post that weren't just and cryptic.

What about yourself? What are your answers for these questions?

Here I am saying we should flip two of the lurkers on day one for info.

@Sabi with all your questionning/hunting what is your best guess at the scumteam then?

Hmm basing off what my notes are saying:

Snowy damo bozo squigs is my best guess for the maximum of four scum.

Reasoning behind it I have seen Squigs argue and interact with most people except not much with snowy.

Snowy kept defending damo/bozo.

Foods might have a point about bozo trying to ATE us on day 1 to live another day as scum.

Snowy because I feel like he's trying to buddy me like in m70.

Squigs is the least scumread one because I keep flipping between scum and null with them.

Ahh here I am talking about bozo being sus especially after reading foodcoats posts about him hmmm

To answer your questions, Sabi:
food is my biggest drop.
I disagree with damo's opinion on you.
Probably snowy, bona, bozo, maybe food or celaph.

food is my biggest drop.

I won't try to rehash your argument with food so I won't bother asking what caused the drop in opinion on him.

Probably snowy, bona, bozo, maybe food or celaph

I do agree with Bona, bozo, snowy, and celaph need to contribute more in day 2 or else. What do either of these people have to do with to avoid being wagoned/prove they are valuable to town?

Look at this me giving a list of people that nerd go contribute more or face being voted off and I'm also asking ghug what do these people have to do to be more valuable to town. Wow who would have guessed that was scummy of me.

Anyway I guess I will make a standalone player reads post for my thoughts from day one:

Bonatogether:
Null. Like I have said before that I am unable to read Bona I mean it. He very much seems normal Bona. I have no experience with scum Bona so I can't compare the two. His anger with Squigs putting pressure on him at EOD seemed natural and justified. He did provide interesting post from Squigs that backed up his sus on them. Maybe that interaction was scum theater?

Bozotheclown:
Scumlean. Barely active and leaves weird one liners. Tried to appeal to emotion with with his claim that he was busy in day one and will be active following that seemed like a cheap act looking back at it now. He said he would be back before EOD and he wasn't. I would not mind wagoning him day 2 if he continues to be low engagement. He's a town liability if he is town.

Celaph:
Null. Barely around but like Bona could be due to school. Due to being barely around and sporadic engagement it's hard for me to get a read on them. We haven't really seen how they reacted when under pressure. Need to keep an eye on their posts. Since it's the weekend I hope they are more active. They are a town liability if they are town.

Damo666:
Scumlean. Besides his obsession on me, he's been low engagement this game. He hasn't actively scumhunted anyone. His pressure on me was laughably weak. Want him to be a lot more vocal about his reads.

<snip snips>

Snowy801:
Scumlean. Like I said before his aloofness and inability to expand on his thoughts is annoying and makes it hard to read him as town. He's either being the weakest town player or scum. If he doesn't start sharing his thoughts and analysis on player I don't mind wagoning him day 2 because if he's town he's a liability.

Squigs44:
Null. I read him as town earlier in the game but the way they acted in EOD is making me want to reread him and keep a closer eye on them. Not scum or town vibes. Just need more time on this one I think.

Here I am laying down my reasoning on who to vote for based off their day 2 activity between bozo, snowy and a few others.

Played mafia for 1 hour.

And in that time you have contributed a great deal more than Bozo has.

##Unvote

Would vote Bozo, would vote Snowy.

Has worcej contributed more this hour? All he has done was say I was wrong, too busy for mafia and made a weak counter wagon to his own. His analysis and reads on players have no explanation and pretty shallow. Straight up saying meta for his town reads is odd to me.

I think bozo should live a day. If his day 2 is like this even after his explanation and word then yea we hammer him.

What made you change your mind on snowy? What do you think of worcej attempt at making a counter wagon to his own? How about his reaction to his own wagon?

Once again here I am explaining that I would hammer bozo if he didn't engage with the game more. Super sus of me am I right.

[ghug]

I mean if it makes you happy keep doing this and try to make this a solid wagon because town can't afford another miskill.

You also conviently missed post of me asking bozo to put in effort or he would be a day two kill. You literally ignored me saying he was using ATE to avoid being wagoned in day 1.

The posts you chose are cherry picked at best to make me look worse. Nice strategy. Glad you read through all 250 posts and ignored the ones I did mention.

Interesting choices Squigs.

I don't but his case or think you're scum but this post is gross.

Okay, so thats more of a "tinfoil" than "onto something" from you, ghug? Usually when I make these long cases I have confirmation bias goggles, but I like to revisit a townread of mine when I see something that pings me otherwise to keep myself from getting complacent.

So you townread Sabi going into the reread and changed your mind in the process? What caused you to look at their connections with bozo specifically?