M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[DeathLlama8]

It is scum indicative because snowy should have been obviously town to anyone experienced in playing with him.

Why does this implicate ghug specifically? You later say that

No, I do not think that every player that voted for snowy or scum read me is scum, but I think all of the scum either voted for snowy, scum read me, or both.

But the list of players who haven't voted for snowy or scumread you is just you so idk what this is meant to say

SABI none
BONA Bozo Darg DL Squig
BOZO Bona DL ghug
DARG Bozo
DL Bona Bozo
GHUG Bozo
Jamie none
SQUIGS Bona

Why do you think any of this? What are your least likely teammate pairings? Do you think this is a good way to find mafia today?

Llama who does not know me and ghug who does are both voting for me because I am playing the exact way I always do.

How do you think you're playing?

[DeathLlama8]

1. bozo: ghug/damo/Jamie, ghug/damo/Jamie/BesharamSabi
2. damo: Sabi + 2 from darg/ghug/DL/Squigs (that order), Sabi + 3 of those
3. llama - bozo/damo/darg(/ghug)

[DeathLlama8]

damo, why are you back to voting sabi, and what have they done in the past day to change your opinion from towncore->voting that quickly?

[DeathLlama8]

##vote damo

[BesharamSabi]

damo, why are you back to voting sabi, and what have they done in the past day to change your opinion from towncore->voting that quickly?

Not damo but I think because my engagement in the game dropped off (but that's due to being busy with vftf/traveling) and as a result so has the quality of my posts. I don't blame him or anyone for thinking that's sus. I am trying my best to keep day 1 energy tho. I have made a word doc of my reads from ghug that I'm not ready to post yet.

[ghug]

1. bozo: ghug/damo/Jamie, ghug/damo/Jamie/BesharamSabi
2. damo: Sabi + 2 from darg/ghug/DL/Squigs (that order), Sabi + 3 of those
3. llama - bozo/damo/darg(/ghug)

I wish there were two of me but kgray's not playing.

[ghug]

1. bozo: ghug/damo/Jamie, ghug/damo/Jamie/BesharamSabi
2. damo: Sabi + 2 from darg/ghug/DL/Squigs (that order), Sabi + 3 of those
3. llama - bozo/damo/darg(/ghug)

If I must, put me down for Jamie/bozo/darg, but I want to look at the bozo as town options first cause I really don't see a fourth there or much room for replacements.

[Squigs44]

It's very difficult for me to build a potential scumteam that doesn't have at least one of damo/darg on it. I think im going to have to vote between those 2 and bozo today

Am I really your top scum read? Or are you voting only on team potential connections?

You are in my smaller pool of PoE, but my vote is based also on connections as well as how the wagons are currently sitting and where I'd like to see pressure

[dargorygel]

@lllama
dargorygel wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:12 am
Llama who does not know me and ghug who does are both voting for me because I am playing the exact way I always do.
How do you think you're playing?

Perhaps I have spent too much time watching games from outside, as Kouncil or co-GM. But i watch, and jump in when i have something worthwhile to say. I think I have had things to offer this game. No master plans, no elaborate tinfoil hats, no mathematical presentations... but that is normal for me.

[dargorygel]

1. bozo: ghug/damo/Jamie, ghug/damo/Jamie/BesharamSabi
2. damo: Sabi + 2 from darg/ghug/DL/Squigs (that order), Sabi + 3 of those
3. llama - bozo/damo/darg(/ghug)
4. Ghug- jamie/bozo/darg
5. Darg- ghug, bona, damo/ and for a fourth: second ghug, or maybe bozo.

[dargorygel]

It's very difficult for me to build a potential scumteam that doesn't have at least one of damo/darg on it. I think im going to have to vote between those 2 and bozo today

Am I really your top scum read? Or are you voting only on team potential connections?

You are in my smaller pool of PoE, but my vote is based also on connections as well as how the wagons are currently sitting and where I'd like to see pressure

And it is early... thanks

[Squigs44]

##vote damo

Is this because of damos vote on Sabi?

[ghug]

1. bozo: ghug/damo/Jamie, ghug/damo/Jamie/BesharamSabi
2. damo: Sabi + 2 from darg/ghug/DL/Squigs (that order), Sabi + 3 of those
3. llama - bozo/damo/darg(/ghug)
4. Ghug- jamie/bozo/darg
5. Darg- ghug, bona, damo/ and for a fourth: second ghug, or maybe bozo.

Can you explain each of these reads?

[DeathLlama8]

##vote damo

Is this because of damos vote on Sabi?

- A lot of the longer posts feel pretty forced (e.g. that potential scum teammates post, the process of elimination d1 post that led to a bo vote) and not really directly generating pressure or looking for mafia
- Never really explained a snowy vote or a reason to leave bozo alive and remained static at EOD which could be bozo protection
- the weird progression on sabi might be indicative of a scum mindset wrt looking for possible miskills I guess? this might be NAI but it's weird

[DeathLlama8]

Perhaps I have spent too much time watching games from outside, as Kouncil or co-GM. But i watch, and jump in when i have something worthwhile to say. I think I have had things to offer this game. No master plans, no elaborate tinfoil hats, no mathematical presentations... but that is normal for me.

How are we supposed to distinguish this from scum doing the same thing?

[DeathLlama8]

It's very difficult for me to build a potential scumteam that doesn't have at least one of damo/darg on it. I think im going to have to vote between those 2 and bozo today

Am I really your top scum read? Or are you voting only on team potential connections?

You are in my smaller pool of PoE, but my vote is based also on connections as well as how the wagons are currently sitting and where I'd like to see pressure

What are the connections between darg and damo/bozo?

[damo666]

SABI none
BONA Bozo Darg DL Squig
BOZO Bona DL ghug
DARG Bozo
DL Bona Bozo
GHUG Bozo
Jamie none
SQUIGS Bona

Why do you think any of this? What are your least likely teammate pairings? Do you think this is a good way to find mafia today?

1. VCA
2. Question doesn't make sense since I know I'm town so all are nil. However from an outside POV maybe Bona based on my D1 voting.
3. It's a good way of avoiding voting those unlikely to be scum.

Note list has been updated.

I think I need to vote from Sabi Jamie ghug Squigs Darg but of those I'm townreading Jamie and townleaning Squigs. Of the three remaining Sabi has most potential scum partners, hence my vote.

[DeathLlama8]

2. Question doesn't make sense since I know I'm town so all are nil. However from an outside POV maybe Bona based on my D1 voting.

oh tbc I meant out of the teammate pairings you think are unlikely in the above list, which do you feel the strongest about

[Squigs44]

##vote damo

Is this because of damos vote on Sabi?

- A lot of the longer posts feel pretty forced (e.g. that potential scum teammates post, the process of elimination d1 post that led to a bo vote) and not really directly generating pressure or looking for mafia
- Never really explained a snowy vote or a reason to leave bozo alive and remained static at EOD which could be bozo protection
- the weird progression on sabi might be indicative of a scum mindset wrt looking for possible miskills I guess? this might be NAI but it's weird

Okay thanks. That first point you have about teammates and poe is actually just standard damo playstyle. ghug thinks it's towny, and you think it's scummy, but I think it's nai and could come from either

[dargorygel]

1. bozo: ghug/damo/Jamie, ghug/damo/Jamie/BesharamSabi
2. damo: Sabi + 2 from darg/ghug/DL/Squigs (that order), Sabi + 3 of those
3. llama - bozo/damo/darg(/ghug)
4. Ghug- jamie/bozo/darg
5. Darg- ghug, bona, bozo/ and for a fourth: second ghug, or maybe damo.

Can you explain each of these reads?

First, i switched bozo and damo.
Ghug- i see the signs of super-ghug manipulating misskills. Key moments of votes, and the push on me seems odd when there are so many other actors.
bona- I think he was rescued.
bozo- squirming, squirming, under pressure.
damo- because I needed a fourth... I agreed with some of the recent reads of him.