M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

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Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2561 Post by ghug » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:35 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:33 am
ghug wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:56 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:51 am


It is not easy to tell the mafia players targeting me from the incorrect town, but I believe you to be one of the former.

##VOTE ghug
I'm not even sure I'm targeting you
ghug wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:11 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:08 pm


both snowy and bozo jumping on me at the last second was a terrible look
This feels like it's coming from a townie.

I don't like how bozo went mostly quiet for the last 20 minutes but was there right at the end.
There's no inconsistency here. I'm considering you.
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#2562 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:35 am

bona's wallpost on bozo: a compilation of things

1) the phrases i pointed out right before, even if he does that as town, is suspicious

2) jumping onto me at eod2 was a terrible look for bozo, because one, he never scumread me that entire day (in some spots he kinda sorta implied a townread but he didn't actually say it), and two, there was a chance that wagon would take off and kill me. He dug himself into a hole around his townread of snowy, so he couldn't vote snowy without just dying today. scum bozo, if he wants to live, has to vote for me. yall don't know my alignment so this isn't as much of a point for you (until i die, at least), but for anyone who townreads me, this should be a point of consideration at least

3) the meta thing we got him for in m70 (not pushing anyone hard or building cases or whatnot)

4) food the goat scumread him

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Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2563 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:37 am

ghug wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:34 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:32 am
ghug wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:30 am


Which assumption? That he seemed to be coming around towards townreading you?
"wasn't doubting his read on Bozo"
Who is making that assumption? I said he was doubting the read. Squigs noted that he didn't solidify that opinion overnight but was likely leaning that way.
This was the statement Squigs was defending:
Squigs44 wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:17 pm
According to Bozo, we should be analyzing NKs based off of who they were scumreading. Celaph scumread and was voting Bozo day 2 (until last second to tie break). Foodcoats also scumread Bozo (along with myself).
Maybe I misunderstood his conclusion.
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Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2564 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:39 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:35 am
bona's wallpost on bozo: a compilation of things

1) the phrases i pointed out right before, even if he does that as town, is suspicious

2) jumping onto me at eod2 was a terrible look for bozo, because one, he never scumread me that entire day (in some spots he kinda sorta implied a townread but he didn't actually say it), and two, there was a chance that wagon would take off and kill me. He dug himself into a hole around his townread of snowy, so he couldn't vote snowy without just dying today. scum bozo, if he wants to live, has to vote for me. yall don't know my alignment so this isn't as much of a point for you (until i die, at least), but for anyone who townreads me, this should be a point of consideration at least

3) the meta thing we got him for in m70 (not pushing anyone hard or building cases or whatnot)

4) food the goat scumread him
I knew I was town, I was very confident snowy was town, and I had you on the town side of neutral.
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Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2565 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:40 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:39 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:35 am
bona's wallpost on bozo: a compilation of things

1) the phrases i pointed out right before, even if he does that as town, is suspicious

2) jumping onto me at eod2 was a terrible look for bozo, because one, he never scumread me that entire day (in some spots he kinda sorta implied a townread but he didn't actually say it), and two, there was a chance that wagon would take off and kill me. He dug himself into a hole around his townread of snowy, so he couldn't vote snowy without just dying today. scum bozo, if he wants to live, has to vote for me. yall don't know my alignment so this isn't as much of a point for you (until i die, at least), but for anyone who townreads me, this should be a point of consideration at least

3) the meta thing we got him for in m70 (not pushing anyone hard or building cases or whatnot)

4) food the goat scumread him
I knew I was town, I was very confident snowy was town, and I had you on the town side of neutral.
You had me on the town side of neutral, and your vote at T-0:02 or whatever it was is for me?

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#2566 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:42 am

ghug wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:35 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:33 am
ghug wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:56 am


I'm not even sure I'm targeting you
ghug wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:11 pm


This feels like it's coming from a townie.

I don't like how bozo went mostly quiet for the last 20 minutes but was there right at the end.
There's no inconsistency here. I'm considering you.
That comment about the last 20 minutes makes no sense, so I have to assume you were just fabricating suspicion that I was scum despite snowy flipping town.
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#2567 Post by DeathLlama8 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:45 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:31 am
DeathLlama8 wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:00 am
bozo, what do you think happened at eod2? curious to know your mindset while it was going down if you are town
The mafia successful go the DK down to town vs. town, then took out snowy because they thought he would be a bigger threat to them D3.
I was more wondering what you were thinking about in the heat of the moment. Town you knows they're town, thinks Snowy is town, and thus believes town is heading for a miskill - what were you hoping to achieve at EOD2, and what did you do to get that?

(also, do you think how d2 played out is indicative of bona's alignment?)
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#2568 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:46 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:40 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:39 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:35 am
bona's wallpost on bozo: a compilation of things

1) the phrases i pointed out right before, even if he does that as town, is suspicious

2) jumping onto me at eod2 was a terrible look for bozo, because one, he never scumread me that entire day (in some spots he kinda sorta implied a townread but he didn't actually say it), and two, there was a chance that wagon would take off and kill me. He dug himself into a hole around his townread of snowy, so he couldn't vote snowy without just dying today. scum bozo, if he wants to live, has to vote for me. yall don't know my alignment so this isn't as much of a point for you (until i die, at least), but for anyone who townreads me, this should be a point of consideration at least

3) the meta thing we got him for in m70 (not pushing anyone hard or building cases or whatnot)

4) food the goat scumread him
I knew I was town, I was very confident snowy was town, and I had you on the town side of neutral.
You had me on the town side of neutral, and your vote at T-0:02 or whatever it was is for me?
What other option did I have? At that point you were the best chance of flipping scum, and even if you flipped town, there would be no difference in the town count if snowy or I had been the DK. If I were scum I could have just voted for snowy.
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#2569 Post by DeathLlama8 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:47 am

especially if you were "neutral leaning town" on bona
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#2570 Post by DeathLlama8 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:48 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:46 am
What other option did I have? At that point you were the best chance of flipping scum, and even if you flipped town, there would be no difference in the town count if snowy or I had been the DK. If I were scum I could have just voted for snowy.
it's more about what you were doing in the hour leading up to EOD that's concerning to me. Given the options you had at two minutes to EOD bona was your best shot as town, but you probably could've seen the EOD coming to that well before that vote
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#2571 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:52 am

DeathLlama8 wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:45 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:31 am
DeathLlama8 wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:00 am
bozo, what do you think happened at eod2? curious to know your mindset while it was going down if you are town
The mafia successful go the DK down to town vs. town, then took out snowy because they thought he would be a bigger threat to them D3.
I was more wondering what you were thinking about in the heat of the moment. Town you knows they're town, thinks Snowy is town, and thus believes town is heading for a miskill - what were you hoping to achieve at EOD2, and what did you do to get that?

(also, do you think how d2 played out is indicative of bona's alignment?)
All I could do at that point was to make it clear I thought snowy was town and correct about ghug in case I was the one who get DKed.

I do not think Bonatogether D2 is necessarily alignment indicative, I suspect he is one of the town with incorrect reads on me and snowy, scum are usually not quite that bold in getting town voted off.
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#2572 Post by DeathLlama8 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:54 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:52 am
All I could do at that point was to make it clear I thought snowy was town and correct about ghug in case I was the one who get DKed.
like you say that about ghug, and you've been pressuring him more n2/today, but you don't really say anything explicitly suspicious about ghug in the last 45 minutes of d2
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#2573 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:57 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:46 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:40 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:39 am


I knew I was town, I was very confident snowy was town, and I had you on the town side of neutral.
You had me on the town side of neutral, and your vote at T-0:02 or whatever it was is for me?
What other option did I have? At that point you were the best chance of flipping scum, and even if you flipped town, there would be no difference in the town count if snowy or I had been the DK. If I were scum I could have just voted for snowy.
why did you do nothing about that at all beforehand, when there was a chance of getting wagons different from what we had?

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#2574 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:58 am

DeathLlama8 wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:48 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:46 am
What other option did I have? At that point you were the best chance of flipping scum, and even if you flipped town, there would be no difference in the town count if snowy or I had been the DK. If I were scum I could have just voted for snowy.
it's more about what you were doing in the hour leading up to EOD that's concerning to me. Given the options you had at two minutes to EOD bona was your best shot as town, but you probably could've seen the EOD coming to that well before that vote
What concerns you? I was trying to explain my basis for suspecting ghug and
Squigs, for which I believe the mafia were pushing a scum read on me, and hoping snowy had better luck getting the vote of off himself.
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#2575 Post by ghug » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:59 am

Ok, let's first assume bozo is scum. I am town, and I'm considering Sabi locktown. That leaves 2-3 scum among:

bona - Yesterday's tiebreak might look like a save, but between bozo trying to make that happen and the way the tiebreak actually went down, I highly doubt it was.

Squigs - Arguably bozo's biggest target all game, at least other than me. I don't think bozo's a big busser, especially D1 (I know bozo and I bussed someone together D1 once, but those were pretty extreme circumstances. bozo, are there any other examples of you bussing early?). Squigs was also key in making the bozo wagon relevant, only to jump off. Strongly doubt they're teammates.

damo - Voted snowy all day yesterday, so little of interest there. Made bozo a lead wagon briefly day one. Bozo tried to make damo a wagon D2 and then used that scumread in part to justify the scumreads on me and Squiggles, only to turn around and conclude that damo wouldn't be scum with us. This doesn't seem like something he'd do with a teammate.

DL - Put bozo in the lead over snowy yesterday. I don't think that makes much sense as a bus. He wasn't on early enough to get a ton of credit, and I think mafia would pretty strongly prefer a dead town snowy over a dead scum bozo. Plausible but unlikely.

Jamie - Jamie made bozo a lead wagon briefly D1 with the help of damo, and scumread him all of day 2. Jamie likes to bus bozo, and heaving someone as your second candidate while voting elsewhere is at least positive. Jamie likes to vote for bozo as town too, though. Plausible.

Darg - Only thing of note here is that darg's absence at EoD possibly affecting the wagons. If he's scum, we may have had as few as one other teammate around and able to protect. If that teammate was already voting for snowy (or bussing, really), it would explain a lack of movement to save bozo. Even with two teammates, we could say much the same thing. Darg mentioned bozo overnight, but mostly when talking about meta, not giving reads (which come to think of it is a fair critique of his play in general. Darg, please stake yourself to some opinions.)


If bozo's scum, my money'd be on a bozo/Jamie/darg team.
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#2576 Post by ghug » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:00 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:46 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:40 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:39 am


I knew I was town, I was very confident snowy was town, and I had you on the town side of neutral.
You had me on the town side of neutral, and your vote at T-0:02 or whatever it was is for me?
What other option did I have? At that point you were the best chance of flipping scum, and even if you flipped town, there would be no difference in the town count if snowy or I had been the DK. If I were scum I could have just voted for snowy.
Why were you so confident snowy was town?
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#2577 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:01 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:57 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:46 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:40 am


You had me on the town side of neutral, and your vote at T-0:02 or whatever it was is for me?
What other option did I have? At that point you were the best chance of flipping scum, and even if you flipped town, there would be no difference in the town count if snowy or I had been the DK. If I were scum I could have just voted for snowy.
why did you do nothing about that at all beforehand, when there was a chance of getting wagons different from what we had?
I tried to address the reasons players gave for voting me, but my top suspects, ghug and Squigs, started the wagon on me, so there was only so much I could do.
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#2578 Post by ghug » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:02 am

I'd like to see more interactions with bozo before writing the "if bozo's town" post/I am too lazy to do that right now.
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#2579 Post by bozotheclown » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:03 am

ghug wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:00 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:46 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:40 am


You had me on the town side of neutral, and your vote at T-0:02 or whatever it was is for me?
What other option did I have? At that point you were the best chance of flipping scum, and even if you flipped town, there would be no difference in the town count if snowy or I had been the DK. If I were scum I could have just voted for snowy.
Why were you so confident snowy was town?
snowy would not have deliberately drawn suspicion D1 if he were scum.
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Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

#2580 Post by ghug » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:06 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:03 am
ghug wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:00 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:46 am


What other option did I have? At that point you were the best chance of flipping scum, and even if you flipped town, there would be no difference in the town count if snowy or I had been the DK. If I were scum I could have just voted for snowy.
Why were you so confident snowy was town?
snowy would not have deliberately drawn suspicion D1 if he were scum.
And that was enough to give you such confidence that your life didn't matter and you'd gladly take the hail mary play on another townread in Bona just to save him?
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