M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[DeathLlama8]

do people (bozo, damo) usually pay attention to the nk this much?

[DeathLlama8]

Did we get a clear answer from Eden about how many scum are here?

If not (which is what I think, although I might have missed it)

Some folk doing math on lylo assuming one number or the other might be worth a look.

Woah Woah woah

Well what did Eden tell you was the number of scum? I'm sure he disclosed this to yiu right?

Is this a townslip? Or a fake townslip? Because it would have been told to you when you received the role pm.

Is dargo known for this meta wise @ everyone?

congtown basically

[DeathLlama8]

bozos read on damo evaporating for no reason should be noted if damo flips scum

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE Squigs

Beside the foodcoats NK, having the same POE (containing what I suspect to be primarily town) as ghug is suspicious.

Wait a minute.

Squigs posted his list first, didn't he?

How is Squigs guilty on the basis that Ghug subsequently posted a similar list? Are you suggesting they chatted in the QT and agreed to post matching reads? That seems very unlikely Bozo.

[Jamiet99uk]

How's your sex life?

That's a bit forward, don't ya think?

Sabi, this fucker's avoiding questions.

Apparently you know something about his sex life, so why the need to ask?

[Jamiet99uk]

I do find it laughable that Jamiet has the temerity to claim that he thinks my play is deserving of death even if I am town because I haven't not done anything, you just don't like what I was doing

Falsehood: I never said you "haven't not done anything" (nice double negative btw). I said what you'd done was awfully scummy, not that you didn't do anything.

So on part, understandable, because acting scummy -> this guy is scum is the intended message I intended to get across, but like come on guys.

If you act scummy on purpose you might get scumread. Surprise!

[Jamiet99uk]

But like, and I would have hoped that this is obvious, if I really am scum why would I go out of my way to do this? Just to be able to say "too scummy to be scum?" Not a brilliant strategy is it. And if my goal was to be elusive about my reads to allow ambiguity to disconnect me from blame on my alleged miskill pushes, why wouldn't I go ahead and actually disconnect from my reads instead of just refusing to talk about it?

Is it too much to expect even the slightest two step thought process regarding how you go about scum reads? I mean apparently, but I don't really believe that this is beyond your capacity, you just need a guiding hand. If I wanted to lurk I would've actually done so instead of hanging around being obnoxious all day. In my own way that was my inciting actionable behavior under the constraints I was putting myself until the end of the day that I saw to be an unconscionably lazy and pathetic effort rise to the top.

If you cannot model an underlying motive for me to act this way and just think that everything I know about what behavior people find scummy flew straight out of my head and I was just being the most transparent scum on the planet then I will not accept blame for unnecessarily muddying the playing field

Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game (for the town majority) is to perform a detailed psychological assessment on Snowy and therefore arrive at a diagnosis which reveals the true underlying motivations of his apparently malign activities. The game is typically very active, and Snowy's arrogance knows few if any bounds, so the thread will get annoying quickly. However, it is essential to humour the demands of Snowy's vast ego, to play the game.

[Jamiet99uk]

How to achieve Town victory, by Snowy:

1. Be evasive and do lowkey scummy things.
2. When questioned, deliberately give weak or hedgy answers.
3. When scumread for this, fiercly attack the intellect of the other players.
4. ???
5. Profit.

[damo666]

Snowy's long post doesn't convince me 1 iota.

Glad to see Bozo posting more. I'm not convinced though that ghug and Squigs having similar reads is AI.

Where is celaph.

I have had an idea regarding EOD1. Have to work on it though. More later.

[Jamiet99uk]

Anyway enough of that.

Snowy: Can you give us a more detailed explanation of your thought process in the last hour or so at EoD1, please? We know you have a quite enormous intellect (since you keep telling us!) so it should be easy for you to explain this.

From my perspective it genuinely appears that you've told us:

1) You didn't scumread Bo_Sox.
2) You had at least a weak scumread on Bona and really wanted to see a wagon on him.

And yet:

i) You encouraged a wagon on Bo_Sox to form, and you voted for him.
ii) You didn't return to the Bona wagon even when it looked quite likely to go over.

Your previous explanation on this was, I'm afraid, quite light on detail, so I'd be grateful if you could expand on exactly what you were thinking.

It's rare that we get to enjoy the presence of a certified genius so thanks in advance for your enlightened words.

[Jamiet99uk]

Snowy's long post doesn't convince me 1 iota.

Glad to see Bozo posting more. I'm not convinced though that ghug and Squigs having similar reads is AI.

Where is celaph.

I have had an idea regarding EOD1. Have to work on it though. More later.

Yeah Bozo's participation has increased, but the quality of his output has not.
I'm not buying the "Ghug posted a similar reads list to Squigs, so that means Squigs must be scum" argument at all.

[Jamiet99uk]

Back later.

[damo666]

Snowy's long post doesn't convince me 1 iota.

Glad to see Bozo posting more. I'm not convinced though that ghug and Squigs having similar reads is AI.

Where is celaph.

I have had an idea regarding EOD1. Have to work on it though. More later.

Didn't work out. Shame.

[damo666]

Snowy's long post doesn't convince me 1 iota.

Glad to see Bozo posting more. I'm not convinced though that ghug and Squigs having similar reads is AI.

Where is celaph.

I have had an idea regarding EOD1. Have to work on it though. More later.

Yeah Bozo's participation has increased, but the quality of his output has not.
I'm not buying the "Ghug posted a similar reads list to Squigs, so that means Squigs must be scum" argument at all.

I agree but I think this could easily be townBozo. Defintely not AI.

[snowy801]

Good morning

[BesharamSabi]

Good morning you lovely people, after yesterday brain dead day I am back and refreshed.


Let's take a look at the posts from yesterday that I missed:

Why?

All this distancing from damo but you won't vote him.

He townreads me for questionable reasons and you call it distancing?

I'd like today to be between three of snowy/you/Jamie/bona/damo/celaph, and I'm content focusing on whichever of those are getting less attention for the time being.

HI G hug! You're one of the few people that scum reads Jamiet so far in this game. Any reason why you feel like he's scummy this game? Much appreciated it.

All this distancing from damo but you won't vote him.

He townreads me for questionable reasons and you call it distancing?

I'd like today to be between three of snowy/you/Jamie/bona/damo/celaph, and I'm content focusing on whichever of those are getting less attention for the time being.

That is a lot of players you are willing to get rid of today. Also, your list is very similar to Squigs (maybe suspiciously so):

I don't think I've made a reads list yet, so here ya go:

Towncore
Squigs
DL

Lean town for now (in order)
Ghug
Sabi
Jamie
Darg

POE (scummier further down you get)
celaph
damo666
bozotheclown
Bonatogether
snowy801

HI bozo! What was the point of this post? What were you trying to prove by saying they have similar scum reads. Most people in this game have similar ish scum reads with at least one other person in this game. Does this mean they are all scum?

Also Squigs posted their list first and doesn't include Jamiet while G hug does.

None of this alignment related.

Not voting early's going to fuck me isn't it

Sigh

vote dl

Why doesn't anyone scum read ghug

You know that's a bad sign right, everyone scum reads ghug when he's town

##vote DeathLlama

HI snowy! You keep asking people why they don't scum read G hug but haven't explained this read so that we can also see it too. Once again asking you expand on this.

What are the game examples of everyone town/nul reading G hug when it turned out he was scum? Is this an actual phenomenon.

If you sus G hug so much why did you vote for death Llama because Bona asked you to?

Also you have yet to explain the death Llama thing. Like G hug if you aren't going to explain it then don't get upset if people don't join in.

Much appreciated, need to go back to catching up to stuff directed towards me.

[dargorygel]

Hi... thanks for not jumping all over me for my absence.
Life.

Leaving my vote where it is.

I Could vote for snowy, or celaph as well.

ONE thing that maybe needs commenting on now, instead of when I get back. A Kouncil matter. Eden did not present to me (or the Kouncil at all, because it was a vanilla game, and a fill in game, and a mini game,) the exact number of scum. I still find it odd, if not suspicious, that some folk seem locked in to 3 scum.

Be well

[snowy801]

I was suspicious of damo, but not as much now that ghug and Squigs are scum reading him.

What do you think are some other indication that Squigs is scum?

Have you read the reason I have given so far?

All I recall is foodcoats, which is a flimsy premise at best

[snowy801]

My one regret is that I genuinely planned on doing all this this morning and it is extremely unfortunate that so many unexpected potholes absolutely obliterated my schedule today

Also side note ghug's so full of shit saying apologetic lurker snowy is scum because a) entirely false and b) I'm not even lurking

He clearly just wants to wipe his nose without his hands

"omg guys my grandma is dead"

Few more long-ass posts and I'm drop it, but the fact is that you came out of your "I was trying to be scummy" and into "I can't post sorry guys". I expected the former but not the latter.

You know it actively pisses me off that you're acting like I'm in need of saving and you're putting yourself in the judgment seat so you can later Nero thumbs up or down on me

[bozotheclown]

I think this is scum bozo that has learned that we've got his meta. It's a smart observation (perhaps one that only bozo would pick up on) but the case does not demonstrate that the occurrence is more likely explained by scum!ghug or why scum!ghug would do that

I do not think ghug would deliberately make a similar post as Squigs if they are both mafia, but it could be the inadvertent result of plans they made N1.

Look at the players they scum read: you, me, snowy, damo, and celaph (ghug threw in Jamie as well). You ended D1 voting for snowy, I ended D1 voting for celaph, celaph was voting for you until switching to bo_sox in the last minute, damo ended D1 voting for you, snowy voted for you and damo during D1 (among others), and Jamie ended D1 voting for snowy. It would not be unreasonable for them to think they could keep the votes within this group and protect themselves. Also, they are both ignoring the bussing that would be required for all the mafia to come from this group.

You can look at this another way. You, me, snowy, celaph, and Squigs were all lead wagons or tied for lead wagon at some point in the last 10 hours of D1, so the scum suspects ghug and Squigs independently came up with were primarily those that had the most suspicion on them coming into D2 (excluding Squigs).

Or maybe those 5 people we listed were lead wagons day 1 because they have done the most scummy things, which would also explain why they are in our POEs.

I've laid out cases on Bona and Celaph before they were major wagons. I laid out a case on Snowy that shows my progression in thought on him. You and damo I've been less organized, but I have given thoughts about where I stand with you throughout day 1 and today. If you think my reads are forced, disgenuine, or contradictory, please bring that up.

As far as bussing goes, I already laid out reasoning for how Snowy/damo would make a lot of sense as a scumpair. Snowy and Bona could also work with some bussing. You could be scum with damo, snowy, or Bona. Really the only pieces that don't fit nicely are a Bona/damo pair OR Celaph with yourself and probably Bona.

Bonatogether was a wagon when you first posted and voted for him, and I did not like the case you made on him later. Town players generally do not like getting voted either.

I reviewed you past scum games, and you did better than you represented. In some cases you were the last scum remaining, and in others you were mechanically caught.

If I assume you are town and that you believe the town did a good job identifying the scum D1 (perhaps with help by scum bussing) so that all the scum were wagons at some point D1, do you think it is possible ghug could be mafia, restricting his list of players he wants to see as wagons to those that could be easy to vote off?