M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

Well I don’t really scum read you, hence why I never voted for you, for example when snowy called for it.

I did find several things fishy in Squigs, which I’ve outlined before.

^ Sabi take note. This is an actual example of someone not answering a question.

You've brought up this Bona argument twice tonight. Can you explain why you think it's still relevant?

Sorry… rephrase the question I am not answering. It’s not intentional.

I think I just posted about your second part, what I think is relevant about Bona.

Yeah, I think that's the answer I'm gonna get. It's pretty obviously a backtrack, though. If it's just about Bona, I don't know why you're referencing it in reads of others too.

[Jamiet99uk]

Thanks Celaph!

[foodcoats]

^ Sabi take note. This is an actual example of someone not answering a question.

You've brought up this Bona argument twice tonight. Can you explain why you think it's still relevant?

Sorry… rephrase the question I am not answering. It’s not intentional.

I think I just posted about your second part, what I think is relevant about Bona.

Yeah, I think that's the answer I'm gonna get. It's pretty obviously a backtrack, though. If it's just about Bona, I don't know why you're referencing it in reads of others too.

It’s not a backtrack in my mind, as for me it has only ever been a fun “what if?” that added an interesting high five opportunity if it were later revealed bona clutched, thus adding spice to the more boring prosaic elements of my read on Squigs, but I will endeavour to be more clear and precise going forward.

Although looking at how I wrote this I will probably fail to be clear and precise haha.

[ghug]

Thanks Celaph!

Wat

[Jamiet99uk]

Thanks Celaph!

Wat

I have just checked back, and I can see that it was Celaph who gave me my 10,000th +1.

[Squigs44]

I suppose I should clarify, so that it doesn’t go any further, that the main takeaway from Bona’s Squigs-ghug thing was actually that it was town indicative of bona, not scum indicative of Squigs or ghug.

See but in every case you've made on me you've included this interaction, which is why I asked:

I also think the way he jumped on the you and ghug interaction is how he scumhunts.

Is this interaction why you're voting for me?

To which you responded:

I also think the way he jumped on the you and ghug interaction is how he scumhunts.

Is this interaction why you're voting for me?

Partially.

See where the confusion comes from? I really dont like foodcoats push on me, because it seems like instead of actually thinking I'm scum and questioning/pushing on me, food is just grabbing any case anyone has made on me and stitching it together without understanding it. Even when food referenced Bo's case on me, he didn't know who it was that made the case and didn't read the conversation Bo and I had afterwards.

Maybe I'm biased, but I'd like to dig deeper into food to see if there are more misunderstandings/contradictions in his scumhunting

[Squigs44]

Sorry… rephrase the question I am not answering. It’s not intentional.

I think I just posted about your second part, what I think is relevant about Bona.

Yeah, I think that's the answer I'm gonna get. It's pretty obviously a backtrack, though. If it's just about Bona, I don't know why you're referencing it in reads of others too.

It’s not a backtrack in my mind, as for me it has only ever been a fun “what if?” that added an interesting high five opportunity if it were later revealed bona clutched, thus adding spice to the more boring prosaic elements of my read on Squigs, but I will endeavour to be more clear and precise going forward.

Although looking at how I wrote this I will probably fail to be clear and precise haha.

Food it still sounds like you think there's a possibility that my post to ghug was motivated by me saving face. Do you still believe that?

[ghug]

I suppose I should clarify, so that it doesn’t go any further, that the main takeaway from Bona’s Squigs-ghug thing was actually that it was town indicative of bona, not scum indicative of Squigs or ghug.

See but in every case you've made on me you've included this interaction, which is why I asked:

I also think the way he jumped on the you and ghug interaction is how he scumhunts.

Is this interaction why you're voting for me?

To which you responded:

Is this interaction why you're voting for me?

Partially.

See where the confusion comes from? I really dont like foodcoats push on me, because it seems like instead of actually thinking I'm scum and questioning/pushing on me, food is just grabbing any case anyone has made on me and stitching it together without understanding it. Even when food referenced Bo's case on me, he didn't know who it was that made the case and didn't read the conversation Bo and I had afterwards.

Maybe I'm biased, but I'd like to dig deeper into food to see if there are more misunderstandings/contradictions in his scumhunting

I'd been townleaning him for activity and seeming desire to solve (I really liked the part of this analysis that led to his Bona read even if I didn't agree with it, for example), but this whole thread smells off.

[foodcoats]

I suppose I should clarify, so that it doesn’t go any further, that the main takeaway from Bona’s Squigs-ghug thing was actually that it was town indicative of bona, not scum indicative of Squigs or ghug.

See but in every case you've made on me you've included this interaction, which is why I asked:

I also think the way he jumped on the you and ghug interaction is how he scumhunts.

Is this interaction why you're voting for me?

To which you responded:

Is this interaction why you're voting for me?

Partially.

See where the confusion comes from? I really dont like foodcoats push on me, because it seems like instead of actually thinking I'm scum and questioning/pushing on me, food is just grabbing any case anyone has made on me and stitching it together without understanding it. Even when food referenced Bo's case on me, he didn't know who it was that made the case and didn't read the conversation Bo and I had afterwards.

Maybe I'm biased, but I'd like to dig deeper into food to see if there are more misunderstandings/contradictions in his scumhunting

Lol glad you deleted everything after partially

Nice

[foodcoats]

Had a realization so I’ll respond to ghug and Squigs later.

I never actually scumread into ghug with my interest in bona’s s-g thing. So ghug is less likely to be reacting to a perceived threat, he’s much more likely honestly scumhunting me.

Ghug very likely town

[Squigs44]

I suppose I should clarify, so that it doesn’t go any further, that the main takeaway from Bona’s Squigs-ghug thing was actually that it was town indicative of bona, not scum indicative of Squigs or ghug.

See but in every case you've made on me you've included this interaction, which is why I asked:

Is this interaction why you're voting for me?

To which you responded:

Partially.

See where the confusion comes from? I really dont like foodcoats push on me, because it seems like instead of actually thinking I'm scum and questioning/pushing on me, food is just grabbing any case anyone has made on me and stitching it together without understanding it. Even when food referenced Bo's case on me, he didn't know who it was that made the case and didn't read the conversation Bo and I had afterwards.

Maybe I'm biased, but I'd like to dig deeper into food to see if there are more misunderstandings/contradictions in his scumhunting

Lol glad you deleted everything after partially

Nice

If I included whole quotes the thing would be massive. Everything you wrote after partially was about other elements and didn't expand on your views of the Squigs-ghug interaction so I didn't think it was necessary. Do you disagree?

[Squigs44]

Okay so most of foods scumhunting has been about me, and I've outlined a few of the things that bother me, but here is his vote and push on Bozo:

Riffing off what Jamie caught above, bozo is stale. Stale bozo is very likely scum, as bozo is usually making a number of plays to develop scum-catching frameworks when town.

In the below quote bozo seems to begin a push but never follows it up, as I’d expect town!bozo to do.

I see I see.

Why do you keep thinking Squigs is bussing celaph?

What reads have you read so far that you agree with?

Who do you think has been the weakest player so far?

Hope that was not a lot of questions. I just want to gauge your thoughts on the game itself and not your vague one liners.

If bo_sox thinks that, why isn't he voting for Squigs or celaph?

##VOTE bozo

His platform on Bozo (at least in this instance) is two parts. First, he references Jamie's post claiming Bozo is stale. Here is Jamie's post:

Looking at your iso you later given the quote below with regards to the justification for your original list. Has your perception of me (or anyone on your list for that matter) changed since you made the list? If so, why are you voting for me? And if not, why did you qualify your later post by saying that "at the time I posted".

No one else has done anything to move up on my list, so I am going with my initial impressions for now.

What list?

celaph/damo /Squigs

Again, food invoking someone else's name when pushing forward an idea, but jumping to conclusions that the original poster did not make.

On the second point, food claims that Bozo had a read that he wasn't pushing. However, Bozo wasn't making a case on Bo, he was pointing out that Sabis claim that Bo scumread Celaph and myself was in contradiction to his vote. There's really nothing to follow up with here from my view
Again, foods scumhunting seems to resolve around picking quotes from long interactions and misinterpreting what is being said

[Squigs44]

I don’t see how either of those are informative flips, but depending on how the rest of the day goes that could change. Worcej is more interesting to me currently than bozo.

It’s odd to see you struggling to read in between the lines but since you’re apparently incapable of figuring it out yourself my vote will move. If you know you’re going to be present again before the end of the day with time to make a decision why should you use your vote for anything other than reactions or, in your case, stubborn principle?

What are the items that make worcej a more informative flip than bozo?

Your reading comprehension needs work.

I think this quote from Bo most sums up my feelings about food when reading through his iso

[Bonatogether]

POE:

I like the direction of most things here but I feel like there's nothing that's really a hot take/diverging from the rest of town

[Bonatogether]

oh no he's too smar

##vote Bona

@Bozo why I voted Bona

a) Sabi was gaining no traction
b) I didn't like the response above
c) I didn't want to vote snowy
d) I thougt making it a 3 way tie would be more interesting than voting bo

a) true
b) is this out of character for town me?
c) why?
d) bona!damo

[Bonatogether]

Okay so most of foods scumhunting has been about me, and I've outlined a few of the things that bother me, but here is his vote and push on Bozo:

Riffing off what Jamie caught above, bozo is stale. Stale bozo is very likely scum, as bozo is usually making a number of plays to develop scum-catching frameworks when town.

In the below quote bozo seems to begin a push but never follows it up, as I’d expect town!bozo to do.

If bo_sox thinks that, why isn't he voting for Squigs or celaph?

##VOTE bozo

His platform on Bozo (at least in this instance) is two parts. First, he references Jamie's post claiming Bozo is stale. Here is Jamie's post:

No one else has done anything to move up on my list, so I am going with my initial impressions for now.

What list?

celaph/damo /Squigs

Again, food invoking someone else's name when pushing forward an idea, but jumping to conclusions that the original poster did not make.

On the second point, food claims that Bozo had a read that he wasn't pushing. However, Bozo wasn't making a case on Bo, he was pointing out that Sabis claim that Bo scumread Celaph and myself was in contradiction to his vote. There's really nothing to follow up with here from my view
Again, foods scumhunting seems to resolve around picking quotes from long interactions and misinterpreting what is being said

This is disingenuous. There's like 10 jamie posts where he says some variation on 'bozo boring'/'bozo stale'/

[Bonatogether]

starting on the vca post

[celaph]

Christ y'all I almost voted bona

By this do you mean that you would have switched from Bo to Bona if Llama and I hadn't switched the other way?

[Squigs44]

Okay so most of foods scumhunting has been about me, and I've outlined a few of the things that bother me, but here is his vote and push on Bozo:

Riffing off what Jamie caught above, bozo is stale. Stale bozo is very likely scum, as bozo is usually making a number of plays to develop scum-catching frameworks when town.

In the below quote bozo seems to begin a push but never follows it up, as I’d expect town!bozo to do.



##VOTE bozo

His platform on Bozo (at least in this instance) is two parts. First, he references Jamie's post claiming Bozo is stale. Here is Jamie's post:

What list?

celaph/damo /Squigs

Again, food invoking someone else's name when pushing forward an idea, but jumping to conclusions that the original poster did not make.

On the second point, food claims that Bozo had a read that he wasn't pushing. However, Bozo wasn't making a case on Bo, he was pointing out that Sabis claim that Bo scumread Celaph and myself was in contradiction to his vote. There's really nothing to follow up with here from my view
Again, foods scumhunting seems to resolve around picking quotes from long interactions and misinterpreting what is being said

This is disingenuous. There's like 10 jamie posts where he says some variation on 'bozo boring'/'bozo stale'/

Jamie never once used the words stale or boring. You're probably thinking of this post:

I'd rather have Bozo that Worcej

##Vote Bozo

What makes bozo more scum/weaker town player than worcej? Bozo atleast has made comments about the game and has voted several times that weren't joke votes like worcej.

Maybe I'm missing something about bozo that you and food can see that I can't. Worcej just seems worse to me I dunno.

They are both very low impact but Bozo's lack of participation seems more weird for him. He's made a few game-related comments but he doesn't seem to be trying.

Problem with this is that this post came after the foodcoats post. Foodcoats specifically said "Riffing off what Jamie caught above", so I quoted the post Jamie had just made about Bozo.

At this point we are splitting hairs about reading comprehension, which I'm gonna try to avoid since town can misread/misinterpret things just as easily as scum.

[celaph]

oh phew

What is this reaction btw? Who sees Bo was town and is relieved? That said, unless Bona is scum I think this is just weird and not that scummy.