M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

Follow me food I shall lead you unto the promised land

Ghug is the other part of bona’s ghug-Squigs axis and I believe in Bona.

But I don’t really see any reason to scumread ghug otherwise, whereas Squigs has looked shiftier to me - although as mentioned I think I’ve only played Squigs when he was scum so I may be thinking “Squigs is always scum.”

Why do you think ghug is scum?

Severe scumdar emanations. Hard to put a finger on it

But I have no reason to hesitate, as there are no PRs to worry about

[worcej]

Like obviously we won’t immediately have the answer if bozo dies. But he has made very assertive gamestate claims that will provide food for analysis, especially if he is scum.

Let be more clear. If Bozo flips scum, what does that tell us about damo/celaph/myself? Do you think he would be bussing none of us, one of us, all of us? I think someone giving reads about 6 people that give thought and analysis and that changes over time is much more valuable than a single three man team with little analysis and no change.

does squigs always read like a conceited ass

@people from way back when

Uh... not always, but there are times.

[snowy801]

Squigs you stay where you are

@Sabi and damo hop on the choo choo wagon

They kill me for a reason

You make it sound like having a reason to flip someone is bad...

?

[Squigs44]

I also think the way he jumped on the you and ghug interaction is how he scumhunts.

Is this interaction why you're voting for me?

[Squigs44]

Like obviously we won’t immediately have the answer if bozo dies. But he has made very assertive gamestate claims that will provide food for analysis, especially if he is scum.

Let be more clear. If Bozo flips scum, what does that tell us about damo/celaph/myself? Do you think he would be bussing none of us, one of us, all of us? I think someone giving reads about 6 people that give thought and analysis and that changes over time is much more valuable than a single three man team with little analysis and no change.

does squigs always read like a conceited ass

@people from way back when

Yes

[Bonatogether]

OK I suck at lylo/mylo math so someone please explain how many miskills can we have before we are fucked if there's 3 scum vs 4 scum? Would it be a bad idea to do a no kill for day one since honestly I can't think of one person that we could possible kill right now that would provide us with info. Please and thank you.

Also as a reminder my pronouns are they and them and not she/he/him/her.

3 scum:
10 town / 3 scum SoD1
8 town / 3 scum SoD2
6 town / 3 scum SoD3
4 town / 3 scum Sod4 <- LYLO

4 scum:
9 town / 4 scum SoD1
7 town / 4 scum SoD2
5 town / 4 scum SoD3 <- LYLO

[snowy801]

Thanks bona

[foodcoats]

I also think the way he jumped on the you and ghug interaction is how he scumhunts.

Is this interaction why you're voting for me?

Partially.

I also think you “self-meta’d” a bit earlier which is not something I see people doing here and it pinged me. Talking about how bad you are as scum for example. There were two or three posts. It looked like you wanted a story about yourself to exist in people’s minds.

Someone also pointed out you moved onto celaph in a funny way, first “don’t want to be buddied” then building a case.

[foodcoats]

It strikes me that bozo’s ATE is in his wheelhouse as scum. He made a fake cop claim one time to survive a DK that tricked me.

I also just never recall bozo excusing himself for low activity, but I know it’s also somewhat a nono to look too closely at OGI.

Still, I feel I gave too much a pass to bozo for that

[snowy801]

What does ATE mean? I've seen that before

[snowy801]

I also think the way he jumped on the you and ghug interaction is how he scumhunts.

Someone also pointed out you moved onto celaph in a funny way, first “don’t want to be buddied” then building a case.

Also that was bo. Thoughts on him in that context?

[Squigs44]

I also think the way he jumped on the you and ghug interaction is how he scumhunts.

Is this interaction why you're voting for me?

Partially.

I also think you “self-meta’d” a bit earlier which is not something I see people doing here and it pinged me. Talking about how bad you are as scum for example. There were two or three posts. It looked like you wanted a story about yourself to exist in people’s minds.

Someone also pointed out you moved onto celaph in a funny way, first “don’t want to be buddied” then building a case.

The reason I ask is because you seem to just be regurgitating what you've heard without actually considering it.
Did you know that Bona has since changed his mind about the Squigs-Ghug reaction after he learned that our posts were separated by just 4 seconds?

The Celaph buddy thing was something Bo brought up as part of a larger case.

As far as self meta goes I am definitely not the only one to bring that up, Bona himself invoked a ghug quote to protect this meta, and I'm not sure how that's scummy.

[DeathLlama8]

I am fairly confident worcej, Celaph, and Squigs aren't scum (in order)

Therefore these wagons need an upheaval

Could I whet anyone's appetite for ghug/bo_sox?

can I interest you in damo instead

I think I'd prefer bona to bo at this point but I'll move if that wagon's dead. weird how little vote changing is happening otherwise

[Bonatogether]

bobo do you think your suspicions of Squigs holds true on the assumption that Celaph isn't scum?

scum sqoog and town celaph is possible

I don't understand some of sqoog's posts in that context based on what I know of him (despite him repeating that he doesn't know me) but maybe I just don't know his mafia playstyle well enough

[DeathLlama8]

any reason why you're no longer reluctant to wagon him?

[Bonatogether]

Bo you overestimate my scum play. Why wouldn't I have just stuck on Bona as scum, that wagon had more momentum than pretty much any other that has popped up today. If anything, a case for me bussing Bona then backing off makes more sense

that wagon had nothing resembling serious, going to eod momentum. I've been an early day meme vote for the last couple games I've played

[Bonatogether]

And if he’s town it means he honestly gutted that fourman he listed, which is still valuable, and people voted for him, which is info.

Squigs, do you townread bozo? Why/not?

Do you think a team listed by town Bozo day 1 with little explanation is valuable to town? Like if Bozo flipped town, would you sheep his reads?
Also anyone that we flip will have votes on them, so you get that info from anyone voted out.

I do not townread Bozo, but I've seen town Bozo play like this and get miskilled so I'm NAI on him. I'd be fine with him being eliminated but I think there are better plays. I still think Celaph is acting unusual in his post style and inability to give a scumread. I'd prefer a worcej wagon over Bozo based on info gained too

Can we not reduce this to a question of who provides the most info? Any competitive day one wagons are going to provide info eventually.

agreed

voting on the basis of info is actually info-negative because it lets players hide behind that logic

[snowy801]

any reason why you're no longer reluctant to wagon him?

Still am, which should be apparent I think. Any reason why you're not on your game as you've clearly demonstrated capability as last game?

Also I'm not interested in damo, thanks for asking

[celaph]

Hi celaph,

How was school? I'm glad you are back to posting. I have a few questions for you since I want to gauge your thought process.

What reads have you agreed with so far and why?

Who do you think is the weakest player so far and why?

What are your thoughts about lurkers and low effort posters jn the game? Are they pro or anti town?

Why are you the last to cast your first vote?

Anyway hope the rest of your night goes well. I will be waiting for these answers.

Thank you : )

I agree that you're the towniest given the way that your effort has come off and the way you've asked approached asking questions. It feels genuine, someone who wants to do well, though isn't necessarily aware of the best way to do that.

In terms of weakest play I have to say bozo for the sheer lack of content and explanations. I also haven't really been a fan of Snowy as I commented to Squigs.

Lurkers are obviously anti-town. They also don't tend to make great D1 kills because of how little info they give. Though I also don't feel like there are as many lurkers as I've seen in previous games so I am not particularly worried about it.

A combination of greater focus on townreads and that I don't tend to joke vote people.

Loved to see that you have responded to me and that you engaged the game a bit more while I was gone.

It feels genuine, someone who wants to do well, though isn't necessarily aware of the best way to do that

Could you explain what would be the best way? What part of my strategy isn't efficient or effective? I would like to improve so feedback is greatly appreciated.

A combination of greater focus on townreads and that I don't tend to joke vote people.

Who have you town read so far? Who has been the weakest town read yet?

Thank you!

Given the time pressure (sorry though I'd get back on sooner) I'm going to skip the first question and focus on the more pressure matters, though feel free to ask me again tonight. The people I would say that I have as most town currently are you (Sabi), llama, Squigs, ghug, and Bo. Looking at the bot I see that Squigs has got himself some votes to I'm curious why. My weakest townread haven't changed since I was last on (Worcej/Snowy) with Food and Bona taking honorable mentions.

[Bonatogether]

bobo do you think your suspicions of Squigs holds true on the assumption that Celaph isn't scum?

Yeah, he's scummy either way. If Celaph is town, dropping a vote on someone for dumb reasons that nobody will buy who you know won't fight back and force you to defend your shit play is smart. And why did he back off of Bona at the behest of other players?

I dont think my reasons for voting Celaph are any dumber than any other reason a wagon has formed today. Celaph has had 5 different people vote for them, so characterizing my push as one that is doomed to fail seems incorrect. Do you disagree with my assessment of Celaph hiding behind townreads and acting differently than his usual meta, or do you just think there are better cases out there, and if so, which ones?

word of the day: context
/ˈkäntekst/
noun
the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.

how many of those 5 votes were serious?