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Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:38 pm
by TheFlyingBoat
ghug wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:30 pm
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:28 pm
##vote tfb
Boat, what do you think of Durga?
Not much. She has posted a lot of posts, but not many actual words. Her scum read of me at night was that I was stiff, which was her exact basis of her scum read on me before I claimed to be TheFlyingJOAT. In the end what she views as stiff, stilted, walls of text that she never reads anyways (BOOOOOOO!!!!) is simply my style.
That I would disappear for hours to watch Texas play football has to be well known to her and others here at this point. That I played VDL for most of the rest of Saturday is independently verifiable by watching the Diplomacy Broadcast Network's coverage of it on League Night (though I suggest you ignore how the actual games went because it was uh...not great).
I don't view it as alignment indicative. I just think it's a bad read. Not in the mood to OMGUS Durga with a counter vote at this time.
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:39 pm
by TheFlyingBoat
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:35 pm
ghug wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:30 pm
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:28 pm
##vote tfb
Boat, what do you think of Durga?
He thinks I'm brilliant, and can't wait to rideshare with me from Boston to Vermont in like two weeks.
Also this.
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:41 pm
by rdrivera2005
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:23 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:22 pm
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:19 pm
Wtf is a lost sibling. What are these "power roles"?
The Lost Siblings are Masons, but they start out not knowing each other's identity, and only get access to the Mason QT if they can find each other.
Ohhhh that's kinda fun.
Not really. The PRs are so lame we should consider this game a vanilla game. The only real utility is claiming later and either get a clear or a CC.
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:41 pm
by TheFlyingBoat
Kakarroto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:38 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:27 pm
idk why the quote button wasn't working (prolly my browser being dumb so I'll just copy kaka's question to me:
"@flyingboat how happy are you that your lfischl vote went through? Why do you expect answers from the lfischl voters when you yourself haven't given a good answer? And no, I don't think 'removing an unhelpful town' is a good play when you can find better answers and instead just park your vote there."
Relatively happy. There were no scum tells on anyone really speaking prior to my casting of the vote and unfortunately I was pulled away from the game by RL before the EoD.
That being said after combing through the EoD I didn't see any obvious scum slips based on what we knew then, so given that we were firing a shot into the dark, why not fire it at someone who is equally as likely to be scum as anyone else while also being someone who has offered literally zero to town in all prior games as well?
In terms of expected value of D1 votes, which tend to be popularity contests no matter the site (barring completely catastrophic scum play), a vote for lfischlI is probably the highest expected value vote given the downside of being wrong is far lower than the downside of being wrong on anyone else and the odds of hitting scum are about equal. I especially like it since it was the counterwagon to killing you, the supposed tracker.
Hrm, I once thought in the same way with the lurker/unhelpful voting, but there were some games where town did so, hit the mafia lurker d1 and lost the game. The problem with this is that town gets no good information and follow up days are lacking. I mean it is still an okay way in my opinion and I like some players to contribute more, but then there are these who post little and still manage to be impactful.
From that result, would you now go to the next lurker/low participant? Who should we go for now?
No. Now we have actual information. We can look at wagons and how they evolved, knowing that Snowy and lfischl were towns and start to make slightly more informed than random guesses as to whether people are town or not. I'll try to do some analysis along these lines late tonight after I get done with my late night work meetings.
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:42 pm
by Durga
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:41 pm
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:23 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:22 pm
The Lost Siblings are Masons, but they start out not knowing each other's identity, and only get access to the Mason QT if they can find each other.
Ohhhh that's kinda fun.
Not really. The PRs are so lame we should consider this game a vanilla game. The only real utility is claiming later and either get a clear or a CC.
Oh yeah in terms of how good it is for us it's trash. But it would be a fun role to have.
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:43 pm
by Durga
I actually read your posts this time tfb. You didn't actually do too many long text posts in this game.
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:45 pm
by Jamiet99uk
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:41 pm
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:23 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:22 pm
The Lost Siblings are Masons, but they start out not knowing each other's identity, and only get access to the Mason QT if they can find each other.
Ohhhh that's kinda fun.
Not really. The PRs are so lame we should consider this game a vanilla game. The only real utility is claiming later and either get a clear or a CC.
I agree. The ability of the Twins to potentially confirm each other is their main real "power".
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:47 pm
by Durga
We should just have all the roles claim rn so we have that many clears and can narrow the pool
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:49 pm
by Jamiet99uk
This isn't very informative yet, but:
lfischl (5) TheFlyingBoat, damo666, Durga, DeathLlama8, ghug
snowy801 (2) rdrivera2005, Jamiet99uk
Kakarroto (2) Vecna, Doom427
damo666 (2) Kakarroto, snowy801
Lfischl didn't even cast a vote. Jeebus.
What is the point of Lfischl signing up?
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:49 pm
by DeathLlama8
i hardclaim sleepwalker
and yeah lost child would be so fun to play, it's like a little game within the game
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:49 pm
by Kakarroto
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:30 pm
Kakarroto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:26 pm
ghug wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:18 pm
Why'd you scan damo?
I wanted to have more info on damo. As you can see from the readlist, he's the lowest so with all the information before I thought he is the highest possible mafia.
If I catch him visiting the nk-target, then he is mafia.
That is not actually necessarily true.
You mean the chance that he is sleepwalker and randomly visited the nk target? It's not impossible but I still would've put the chance of that way lower than mafia damo doing the nk. Downside is if that happens it would 'out the Hexenjäger', oops. Ok losing another town but still, damo wasn't a shining example of towniness d1. That's also why I chose damo right now, because for others that chance/argument would impact much more.
If I had scanned, say, ghug, and ghug had visited snowy, and I declare that, then he might've just argued he's town and then the great debate starts about sleepwalker and we might not get a mafia. Maybe we get some info from others how they think about it ... hm, maybe that would've been a better use, come to think about it. Well that is only with the pretense that ghug is sleepwalker and eden rolled that odds, so blah me.
But yeah, I really should think about the further use of my scan.
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:50 pm
by Durga
DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:49 pm
i hardclaim sleepwalker
and yeah lost child would be so fun to play, it's like a little game within the game
If this is actually true I hate this
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:50 pm
by Jamiet99uk
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:47 pm
We should just have all the roles claim rn so we have that many clears and can narrow the pool
Then the Traxenhecker, if it is not Kak, will immediately be killed N2 since there is no Doctor.
Is that the best idea?
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:50 pm
by rdrivera2005
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:47 pm
We should just have all the roles claim rn so we have that many clears and can narrow the pool
A clear now is not helpful as he will just be NKed. A clear later is far better and two clears that can confirm each other might win the game if they last to the end.
So, no claims, unless needed.
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:51 pm
by Durga
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:50 pm
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:47 pm
We should just have all the roles claim rn so we have that many clears and can narrow the pool
Then the Traxenhecker, if it is not Kak, will immediately be killed N2 since there is no Doctor.
Is that the best idea?
I mean the non hexenjager roles should claim
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:51 pm
by DeathLlama8
oh y'all were serious about that
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:51 pm
by Jamiet99uk
Kakarroto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:49 pm
You mean the chance that he is sleepwalker and randomly visited the nk target?
No that wasn't what I meant.
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:51 pm
by TheFlyingBoat
Kakarroto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:49 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:30 pm
Kakarroto wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:26 pm
I wanted to have more info on damo. As you can see from the readlist, he's the lowest so with all the information before I thought he is the highest possible mafia.
If I catch him visiting the nk-target, then he is mafia.
That is not actually necessarily true.
You mean the chance that he is sleepwalker and randomly visited the nk target? It's not impossible but I still would've put the chance of that way lower than mafia damo doing the nk. Downside is if that happens it would 'out the Hexenjäger', oops. Ok losing another town but still, damo wasn't a shining example of towniness d1. That's also why I chose damo right now, because for others that chance/argument would impact much more.
If I had scanned, say, ghug, and ghug had visited snowy, and I declare that, then he might've just argued he's town and then the great debate starts about sleepwalker and we might not get a mafia. Maybe we get some info from others how they think about it ... hm, maybe that would've been a better use, come to think about it. Well that is only with the pretense that ghug is sleepwalker and eden rolled that odds, so blah me.
But yeah, I really should think about the further use of my scan.
I mean there is also a chance a lost sibling tries to find the other lost sibling and instead hit a Citizen of WebDipa instead on the same turn they die. The odds of any of these happening aren't great but they are real.
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:51 pm
by DeathLlama8
why do we need clears, it's d2
Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:52 pm
by BesharamSabi
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:35 pm
ghug wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:30 pm
Durga wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:28 pm
##vote tfb
Boat, what do you think of Durga?
He thinks I'm brilliant, and can't wait to rideshare with me from Boston to Vermont in like two weeks.
It's true, tfb is a big durga simp