Re: M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:06 pm
That's true you were also great and should play againDeathLlama8 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:57 pmnah it's because I came back
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That's true you were also great and should play againDeathLlama8 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:57 pmnah it's because I came back
It's not complicated Bunny. Just don't talk about any meta knowledge you possess.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:13 pmRe: meta gaming, I think using people’s activity on other sites and discord should be barred because it isn’t available to all. But that would require people changing their lives around which is no good. I don’t know what the answer should be. But several times this game it was used.
People practicing “active ethics” on ignoring meta game information is largely a joke. It doesn’t work. I’m a fan of it. But it really requires commitment to LOSE on purple because of accidentally observed meta gaming. It also requires people to consciously observe themselves. Ive done it, I threw a hand in a major bridge tournament because I caught a tell of my partner so I misplayed the hand on purpose to actively not use the tell. There are famous stories about other players doing it. The problem is that the stories are famous because we all know most players don’t do it.
But there needs to be a real discussion on “what information specifically is allowed and disallowed and what players should do when accidentally accessing disallowed information “ if you wish to discuss meta gaming. I don’t think it’s simple.
QuickTopic is shutting down, unfortunately. Or perhaps it's a good thing, we'll see.
Nor was your predecessor, Vecna. As I recall it, 50% of the N0 chat was me whinging about the lack of conversation.
So you're ok with people acting on meta knowledge, as long as they don't talk about it?snowy801 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:44 pmIt's not complicated Bunny. Just don't talk about any meta knowledge you possess.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:13 pmRe: meta gaming, I think using people’s activity on other sites and discord should be barred because it isn’t available to all. But that would require people changing their lives around which is no good. I don’t know what the answer should be. But several times this game it was used.
People practicing “active ethics” on ignoring meta game information is largely a joke. It doesn’t work. I’m a fan of it. But it really requires commitment to LOSE on purple because of accidentally observed meta gaming. It also requires people to consciously observe themselves. Ive done it, I threw a hand in a major bridge tournament because I caught a tell of my partner so I misplayed the hand on purpose to actively not use the tell. There are famous stories about other players doing it. The problem is that the stories are famous because we all know most players don’t do it.
But there needs to be a real discussion on “what information specifically is allowed and disallowed and what players should do when accidentally accessing disallowed information “ if you wish to discuss meta gaming. I don’t think it’s simple.
What firmer line do you want?
I was so worried in the God Thread that you were going to kill town and make Durga go crazy on the 24 hours to solve this thing or w/e
gms never slipTheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:21 pmI was so worried in the God Thread that you were going to kill town and make Durga go crazy on the 24 hours to solve this thing or w/e
@Snowy:Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:20 pmSo you're ok with people acting on meta knowledge, as long as they don't talk about it?
Also, how do you define "meta knowledge" ?
TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:41 pmSure, the ranking is more a product of meta analysis and less of hard behavior, something I hope to supplement during my reread and in fact I already do feel somewhat less confident in it. I liked some of Bunny's earlier posts but points about him being a replacement and therefore easily able to play as town since that's how he basically thought about it before he replaced was convincing to me that I shouldn't take that as town indicative as one would initially think. Further some of his later posts were far less appealing and that was true even before ghug's death. Bunnicula is now pretty higher on my list.
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Durga has seemed off this game and hasn't been asking the tough questions I saw her ask last time and has been shitposting interspersed with a little bit of righteous indignation for not being seen as obv town yet.
As for Jamie, he's been far too nice and unabrasive. Someone told me in the last game Jamie fakes being nice when he's scum where he feels more comfortable being an asshole when he's town.
You're saying posts of this nature should be banned?Durga wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:24 pm
Honestly I said this before but this is the most townie I've ever seen bunny play and last game I thought he was soooo scummy but he was town. That being said, he did sub in and was following the game prior so its much easier to fake townie thoughts. Bunny's meta was also hella different when he *was* scum. But it's not out of his range to fake it.
“Villains often try to get clever, to stump me with philosophical questions like ‘what is evil?’ To which I answer ‘generally, people asking me that question’, which somehow they never see coming.”Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:20 pmSo you're ok with people acting on meta knowledge, as long as they don't talk about it?snowy801 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:44 pmIt's not complicated Bunny. Just don't talk about any meta knowledge you possess.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:13 pmRe: meta gaming, I think using people’s activity on other sites and discord should be barred because it isn’t available to all. But that would require people changing their lives around which is no good. I don’t know what the answer should be. But several times this game it was used.
People practicing “active ethics” on ignoring meta game information is largely a joke. It doesn’t work. I’m a fan of it. But it really requires commitment to LOSE on purple because of accidentally observed meta gaming. It also requires people to consciously observe themselves. Ive done it, I threw a hand in a major bridge tournament because I caught a tell of my partner so I misplayed the hand on purpose to actively not use the tell. There are famous stories about other players doing it. The problem is that the stories are famous because we all know most players don’t do it.
But there needs to be a real discussion on “what information specifically is allowed and disallowed and what players should do when accidentally accessing disallowed information “ if you wish to discuss meta gaming. I don’t think it’s simple.
What firmer line do you want?
Also, how do you define "meta knowledge" ?
Pretending you don’t have knowledge is different than not having knowledge! Having knowledge is already influencing you. And not discussing it doesn’t make it not be there. Make a rule that the knowledge can’t be acquired at all, or let it in. But don’t pretend.snowy801 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:44 pmIt's not complicated Bunny. Just don't talk about any meta knowledge you possess.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:13 pmRe: meta gaming, I think using people’s activity on other sites and discord should be barred because it isn’t available to all. But that would require people changing their lives around which is no good. I don’t know what the answer should be. But several times this game it was used.
People practicing “active ethics” on ignoring meta game information is largely a joke. It doesn’t work. I’m a fan of it. But it really requires commitment to LOSE on purple because of accidentally observed meta gaming. It also requires people to consciously observe themselves. Ive done it, I threw a hand in a major bridge tournament because I caught a tell of my partner so I misplayed the hand on purpose to actively not use the tell. There are famous stories about other players doing it. The problem is that the stories are famous because we all know most players don’t do it.
But there needs to be a real discussion on “what information specifically is allowed and disallowed and what players should do when accidentally accessing disallowed information “ if you wish to discuss meta gaming. I don’t think it’s simple.
What firmer line do you want?
This. And even worse is people acting on meta knowledge without acknowledging that they are.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:20 pmSo you're ok with people acting on meta knowledge, as long as they don't talk about it?snowy801 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:44 pmIt's not complicated Bunny. Just don't talk about any meta knowledge you possess.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:13 pmRe: meta gaming, I think using people’s activity on other sites and discord should be barred because it isn’t available to all. But that would require people changing their lives around which is no good. I don’t know what the answer should be. But several times this game it was used.
People practicing “active ethics” on ignoring meta game information is largely a joke. It doesn’t work. I’m a fan of it. But it really requires commitment to LOSE on purple because of accidentally observed meta gaming. It also requires people to consciously observe themselves. Ive done it, I threw a hand in a major bridge tournament because I caught a tell of my partner so I misplayed the hand on purpose to actively not use the tell. There are famous stories about other players doing it. The problem is that the stories are famous because we all know most players don’t do it.
But there needs to be a real discussion on “what information specifically is allowed and disallowed and what players should do when accidentally accessing disallowed information “ if you wish to discuss meta gaming. I don’t think it’s simple.
What firmer line do you want?
Also, how do you define "meta knowledge" ?
What about the posts where she knew that TFB was hanging out on discord and ignoring the game?Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:36 pm@Snowy:Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:20 pmSo you're ok with people acting on meta knowledge, as long as they don't talk about it?
Also, how do you define "meta knowledge" ?
For example, would you propose a change to the rules, to ban posts such as the following?
TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:41 pmSure, the ranking is more a product of meta analysis and less of hard behavior, something I hope to supplement during my reread and in fact I already do feel somewhat less confident in it. I liked some of Bunny's earlier posts but points about him being a replacement and therefore easily able to play as town since that's how he basically thought about it before he replaced was convincing to me that I shouldn't take that as town indicative as one would initially think. Further some of his later posts were far less appealing and that was true even before ghug's death. Bunnicula is now pretty higher on my list.
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Durga has seemed off this game and hasn't been asking the tough questions I saw her ask last time and has been shitposting interspersed with a little bit of righteous indignation for not being seen as obv town yet.
As for Jamie, he's been far too nice and unabrasive. Someone told me in the last game Jamie fakes being nice when he's scum where he feels more comfortable being an asshole when he's town.You're saying posts of this nature should be banned?Durga wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:24 pm
Honestly I said this before but this is the most townie I've ever seen bunny play and last game I thought he was soooo scummy but he was town. That being said, he did sub in and was following the game prior so its much easier to fake townie thoughts. Bunny's meta was also hella different when he *was* scum. But it's not out of his range to fake it.
You said people weren't allowed to talk about "meta knowledge". My point is that I don't think the parameters for what is and what is not "meta knowledge" is as clearly defined as you seem to think it is.snowy801 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:08 pm“Villains often try to get clever, to stump me with philosophical questions like ‘what is evil?’ To which I answer ‘generally, people asking me that question’, which somehow they never see coming.”Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:20 pmSo you're ok with people acting on meta knowledge, as long as they don't talk about it?
Also, how do you define "meta knowledge" ?
– Aldred Alban of Callow, the Prince Errant
Jamiet none of what you just described is metagaming. One might hope you would've known the difference, but I suppose said one is far too hopeful.
@snowy. I don’t think knowledge that is only accessible to those in a specific server is great. But again…the game should have rules that give it meaning. Games are at their core a silly thing that only has honor and meaning by the community agreeing on it.