M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

I mean, my first instinct was going to be that it would be in the group of <PE/Chaqa/Vecna/Snowy>

But this is just stacking assumption on top of assumption, and really doesnt result in any actually usefull deductions.

Having taken much smaller risks as scum with bozo before, he'd have to have been pretty strongly overridden. I also thank you for not including me. Clears win games.

I thought about your name after the fact, but im not sure youre that much of a meme'r?

Exactly

[Chaqa]

If the mafia really is shooting for PRs, then the longer the Oracle hides, the more they have to shoot the non-clears. If the mafia is only trying to keep up the appearance of shooting for PRs, then the longer the Oracle hides, the more they have to either shoot the non-clears to maintain appearances, or else drop the pretense.

Oracle should stay hidden.

Underlined section is faulty logic as all of the PRs save the Oracle are clears and revealed, so mafia shooting for PRs would not shoot in the unclears. Are you being willfully backwards with your logic?

Unless... they want to shoot the Oracle?????????? Obviously??????????

Why would they want to shoot the Oracle over cop or doc

[Vecna]

##VOTE Jamie

He loves weird nightkills.

does he really though?

[snowy801]

Also adding oracle to the PoE adds another level of wifom to the powers that I think is detrimental for us

[President Eden]

Underlined section is faulty logic as all of the PRs save the Oracle are clears and revealed, so mafia shooting for PRs would not shoot in the unclears. Are you being willfully backwards with your logic?

Unless... they want to shoot the Oracle?????????? Obviously??????????

Why would they want to shoot the Oracle over cop or doc

I have no idea, but if you're the Cop, they plainly do, judging from the nightkill. Or they want to look like they do.

Which is exactly what I said at the beginning.

Please stop picking out random sentences and asking questions without the broader context. You're not this stupid.

[Vecna]

My cat got tired of the obscure anime I was watching, so now it's PS4 and Mafia with Kitty. My cat says-

"Why is the game harder to figure out now than it was earlier? Once you figure that out, it's clear what you should do".

Well, things are harder because there are a lot of different discussions fighting over different things, and there's no obvious smoking gun I can tunnel on. But I don't see how that makes anything clear?

"It means you should pet me more"

That's what I get for going to a cat for Mafia advice.

At this point, a counter claim from Mafia on any power role would just result in hanging both parties and being done with it. I suppose if Tom came on and said he was doctor, we might just assume he's lying and kill him, and anyone claiming Miller would just be laughed at, but anything else we would hang both. Not like anyone has actually CC yet, but important to note.

And I guess I'm stuck, cause whiles it's fun to put down my analysis of why Mafia would CC cop or JOAT, it actually makes no sense to write it now, before Mafia (or Town) actually does it

Hahaha, what is this I dont even know why...not enough

upvotes?

[Durga]

I'm gonna try to do a bit of rereading tomorrow but does anyone recall how ghug acted around bozo d1. I do feel like ghug is probably scum

[BunnyGo]

Honestly I'm thinking it's bozo/Jasnah/?????/and maybe like Vecna or rdrivera

There's very few visible scum left in this game and I've grown to trust myself enough to say if I feel that way it means there aren't

@Bunny Vecna I think?

@kgray I don't remember the context to that

@Jamiet hi

Ok. I think you came off worse than Vecna. I'm sure you can view your posts from an outside perspective. Thoughts?

Shrug
I tend to confuse scum and PR at the worst of times. I don't know what else to tell you

Oh, I'm totally on board with that.

But your constantly looking for counterwagons to bozo. Trying to flash TFB.

More interesting was the first fall of the bozo wagon. You were on it until it gained steam. Then pushed all the counter wagons (verbally or with actual vote) and never went back to bozo again. Why?

[kgray]

tbh the only time I thought ghug was towny was when I thought scum!Chaqa slipped that ghug was town.

A lot of it's omgus I guess but I don't think his push on me is genuine (particularly the fact that he thinks I'm obvscum because I'm not obvtown when he admitted I'm not playing like my scum game...), nor do I think he had any reason to make it such a large proportion of his contributions to the game.

I think him staying on a non-viable TFB wagon after bozo claimed doc is suspicious, and him moving to worcej after worjec CC'd is even worse.

Especially considering ghug had been doubting worcej as scum and literally said he didn't think worcej was scum 6 minutes before EOD. He kept saying bozo was a wagon he was okay with, but then near EOD shaded Durga for voting bozo and agreed with snowy's theory that bozo was scum's preferred wagon.

And I just don't see how he chooses to vote worcej over bozo when it comes down to it.

You asked me this before, and I answered. Did the answer move you at all?

I did not ask you this, TFB did. And no, I was not moved.

[kgray]

tbh the only time I thought ghug was towny was when I thought scum!Chaqa slipped that ghug was town.

A lot of it's omgus I guess but I don't think his push on me is genuine (particularly the fact that he thinks I'm obvscum because I'm not obvtown when he admitted I'm not playing like my scum game...), nor do I think he had any reason to make it such a large proportion of his contributions to the game.

I think him staying on a non-viable TFB wagon after bozo claimed doc is suspicious, and him moving to worcej after worjec CC'd is even worse.

I haven't admitted that you're not playing like you're scum game. Your scum game looks like your town game but without the rabid dog bleeding towniness, and that's what I see here. You used to have an issue with undercommitting to townreads, but you corrected that the last time you were scum, which is why I mistakenly townread you despite being underwhelmed in my gut.

The TFB wasn't non-viable. It was tied with Tom with four minutes left and received one more vote after that point. I moved off when it did become non-viable, though obviously my choice there was poor.

ghug I really don't think kgray is scum

why

[Vecna]

But now you don't cause I'm obvtown right?

ghug I think you're town but this habit of saying "I'm obvtown" really has to stop (that goes for all you fuckers)

It makes me want to scum read you just to spite you

I'm not sure I'm capable of being obviously town, snowy.

The fact im not at all suspicious of you, or finding any reasons to be suspicious of you, is probably a bad sign lmao

[BunnyGo]

In fact I've repeatedly pointed out that the one PR they would be shooting for at this point is the Oracle, as the JOAT would've already used its abilities and the others have claims.

I don't get you, man.

[BesharamSabi]

Has anyone in past games fake claim being the oracle? If so, how did that go?

[snowy801]

Ok. I think you came off worse than Vecna. I'm sure you can view your posts from an outside perspective. Thoughts?

Shrug
I tend to confuse scum and PR at the worst of times. I don't know what else to tell you

Oh, I'm totally on board with that.

But your constantly looking for counterwagons to bozo. Trying to flash TFB.

More interesting was the first fall of the bozo wagon. You were on it until it gained steam. Then pushed all the counter wagons (verbally or with actual vote) and never went back to bozo again. Why?

I looked at the people on it and said this is sus. Couldn't tell you who without looking at it again
Also there is a noted tendency for town players to want fairly even wagons going into EoD and it looked unnatural, though in retrospect I may not have considered the magnitude of numbers in a 21 player game

At the time it very much looked like a scum push

[President Eden]

In fact I've repeatedly pointed out that the one PR they would be shooting for at this point is the Oracle, as the JOAT would've already used its abilities and the others have claims.

I don't get you, man.

Probably because nobody actually reads my posts, which is fine, I get it, they're long and sometimes very dense. But then don't pick some random sentence out and question me on it when I've actually explained it and act like it makes no sense if you're not going to read it.

[snowy801]

Has anyone in past games fake claim being the oracle? If so, how did that go?

I expect there was much jeering and fruits thrown

[Jamiet99uk]

lol what if jasnah was the Oracle

Does it only work if oracle is nk'd?

No but if the Oracle dies D1 they haven't entered a target so their power is lost.

[Vecna]

But now you don't cause I'm obvtown right?

ghug I think you're town but this habit of saying "I'm obvtown" really has to stop (that goes for all you fuckers)

It makes me want to scum read you just to spite you

omg I just realized Rivera never hardclaimed 100% confirmed vanilla town

See, how can anyone actually think Kgray is scum

Y'all are daft

[Doom427]

In fact I've repeatedly pointed out that the one PR they would be shooting for at this point is the Oracle, as the JOAT would've already used its abilities and the others have claims.

I don't get you, man.

I mean, this makes perfect sense to me. If you are miller and WorceJ is Doctor, and Chaqa is cop... The Oracle tells us NOTHING. It's not a useful power right now. It's only use would be to confirm one of you, and not the others. If one of you AREN'T who you say you are, they would probably avoid shooting oracle because it has a chance of biting them in the ass.

[BesharamSabi]

Has anyone in past games fake claim being the oracle? If so, how did that go?

I expect there was much jeering and fruits thrown

What I mean let's say a VT fake claim oracle so to put a target on their back from scum to protect the real oracle.