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Yeah? Not the frozen shit, the real stuff?ghug wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:13 amBunny, it might be better but to tell you this, but you can have fried cheese curds anywhere.
Why? His best chance of winning a CC battle was with me, not the JOAT or oracle. If I get DKed D3 with too many players assuming worcej is the real doctor, the game is over.Durga wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:46 pmworcej if scum would probably have claimed one of the other PR, whatever they are, not doc after seeing bozoghug wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:44 pmFor my part, I didn't totally believe bozo's claim in the moment and was hoping for a TFB wagon. When you claimed, my initial reaction was that you were actually scum, because a) you didn't claim in the final moments D1 (impressive in retrospect) and b) it's more likely we hit a PR and then scum with the wagons than that we'd hit scum and then the specific PR that scum claimed. Your emotion post-flip (and the fact that nobody but Eden seems to want to argue it) is pretty convincing, though.
That would have been fine as long as you realized you had to DK worcej next.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:46 pmi'm just pissed we didn't vote bozo out hereBesharamSabi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:26 pmI'm enjoying it. I dunno about you. It's been fun esp the EOD.
You are going to be disappointed when you find out I am town.
Saying D2 instead of N1 and then correcting it is not "messing information up and doubling down with bad information". If you think this is my scum tell, can you site an example?worcej wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:51 pmIf bozo had claimed JOAT, I would've just claimed doctor and then probably just died.Durga wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:46 pmworcej if scum would probably have claimed one of the other PR, whatever they are, not doc after seeing bozoghug wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:44 pm
For my part, I didn't totally believe bozo's claim in the moment and was hoping for a TFB wagon. When you claimed, my initial reaction was that you were actually scum, because a) you didn't claim in the final moments D1 (impressive in retrospect) and b) it's more likely we hit a PR and then scum with the wagons than that we'd hit scum and then the specific PR that scum claimed. Your emotion post-flip (and the fact that nobody but Eden seems to want to argue it) is pretty convincing, though.
Getting more level-headed and chilled out, I am glad that he picked doctor since I could CC him and now instantly get him killed D3.
But yeah, bozo's scumtell is messing information up and doubling down with bad information to frame motives. He was so obviously scum to me on the comments about my opinion on Chaqa.
This.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:06 amUnfortunately my absence from the game came at a bad time, as it has been interpreted as scum indicative, but as I said, it was unavoidable.
I have played over 40 mafia games on this site and have been scum at least 10 times. If anyone cares to review my old games, you will find many instance where I was away from the game for 8, 16, 24 hours stretches, or more, and I am confident you will find that they are in no way correlated to when I was mafia or mafia up for the DK. I do not recall any other instance where I was not able to participate for a large block of time before EOD when I was up for a DK as mafia.
If you look at the 24 hours before D2 EOD, you will see I made a significant effort with the time I had to avoid getting DK, since I did not want to get DKed as a PR. I did what I could to get online on mobile at EOD so I would at least not get DKed without town knowing I was the doctor.
I obviously understand why I am under strong suspicion, but I encourage the JOAT or oracle to reveal myself as the doctor or worcej as mafia. The important point is that worcej must be eliminated for town to win the game.
Would you like me to make a post of various emoji you can just pin and go to for your clipboard purposes?Vecna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:13 amPresident Eden wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:18 pmI saw both your claims (and reacted with "LMAO" in stunned laughter/silence), froze up, thought briefly about trying to tie the vote to buy time because I didn't know how to process it, and then started typing up my thoughts once Demon called EOD and I saw we tied.worcej wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:14 pmWhen did you ever think I was doctor? You parked your vote on me with 17 minutes left and never moved it. You even called people out for swapping off Bozo or myself and going for Tom.
You appear to be protecting bozo by pushing me without sticking your neck out to defend bozo in any way. Seems pretty open and shut scum!Eden.
I didn't particularly care to save bozo because he was also in POE pool and I was lost. I believe I said as much earlier in the day when I voted him. But I think if you'll go back and read my posts from last night to now, you'll see that I preferred to vote you out to him for most of the day.
This line of questioning, as well as Vecna's, comes off like you're out to stick it to me for getting it wrong, because you're not actually showing how it makes me mafia, you're just retreading the fact that I apparently got it wrong. Which is why I chided you about ego earlier.
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awesome, over-night clipboard action
Why do you think being silent is a scum tell when I stated I would not be online?Doom427 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:30 pmWow, a lot of drama happening end of day. But nothing, too exciting.
Oh A Bozo Claim? Lol, that's funny. That's a lot of power role claims. Well, guess that's that. . .
A WORCEJ CC!?!?!?!? what is even happening oh my god oh my god oh my god.
Who died?!? Who died though!?!! Who ended up dying?!?!?
NEITHER IT WAS A TIE
That's crazy and amazing oh my god what a rush. I'd probably have a heart attack being in that live, oh my god. Anyway, Bozo being silent is clearly a scum tell, though I'm sure the "Let me get back to you on that" post will prove me wrong :)
Ummm, is it normal to have... 5 power claims in 2 days? With only one of those claims being freely given instead of an attempt to stay alive from a vote or a cc? WorceJ actually did both, too!
Also, anyone saying no flip games are boring, I'd fucking die playing a flip game I guess, this was crazy.
What exactly let you get a "real read"?TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:44 amYeah I liked Bozo's actions on the key question of the day. He was a vocal leader on those question even when at times they were not the popular answer. I did not look at meta at all since my only access to meta analysis is through the words of others. I just looked at everyone tabula rasa and he seemed to be acting in a townie way. Bona told me that everything that I thought was a townie play was just Bozo's day 1 scum meta, which is fair and I did give it some credence, but it wasn't something I was going to let control my decision until I had something more concrete as I assumed if bozo was mafia, something would eventually give that lets me get a real read. In the end it did, but unfortunately at a cost, albeit a cost that makes it a very pro-town trade.
Again, this kind of thing based on an incorrect assumption can lose the game for town.
Exactly. I'm really not enjoying this game.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:02 amAgain, this kind of thing based on an incorrect assumption can lose the game for town.
You really need to stop trying to solve things with the assumption I am scum.Fluminator wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:06 amKgray i'm super torn on.
She did push bozo most of the day and would scum really bus like that?
But her reaction to catching bozo, one of her main scum reads was completely neutered. When she catches scum as town she expresses so much happiness and earned pride. I saw none of that here.
Think we should give her a bit more time to obvtown just in case.
You really need to start solving for us...bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:13 amYou really need to stop trying to solve things with the assumption I am scum.Fluminator wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:06 amKgray i'm super torn on.
She did push bozo most of the day and would scum really bus like that?
But her reaction to catching bozo, one of her main scum reads was completely neutered. When she catches scum as town she expresses so much happiness and earned pride. I saw none of that here.
Think we should give her a bit more time to obvtown just in case.
BesharamSabi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:12 amYou made a typoBonatogether wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:59 amI will go to bed.
Please do not bully me over some grammatical error I made in the wallpost, I'm tired.
You think Worcej was faking his anger?BunnyGo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:09 amExactly. I'm really not enjoying this game.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:02 amAgain, this kind of thing based on an incorrect assumption can lose the game for town.
None of this is a 'bozo is PR'-specific argument. This is 'bozo doesn't want do die and also has a life'bozotheclown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:06 amUnfortunately my absence from the game came at a bad time, as it has been interpreted as scum indicative, but as I said, it was unavoidable.
I have played over 40 mafia games on this site and have been scum at least 10 times. If anyone cares to review my old games, you will find many instance where I was away from the game for 8, 16, 24 hours stretches, or more, and I am confident you will find that they are in no way correlated to when I was mafia or mafia up for the DK. I do not recall any other instance where I was not able to participate for a large block of time before EOD when I was up for a DK as mafia.
If you look at the 24 hours before D2 EOD, you will see I made a significant effort with the time I had to avoid getting DK, since I did not want to get DKed as a PR. I did what I could to get online on mobile at EOD so I would at least not get DKed without town knowing I was the doctor.
I obviously understand why I am under strong suspicion, but I encourage the JOAT or oracle to reveal myself as the doctor or worcej as mafia. The important point is that worcej must be eliminated for town to win the game.
