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worcej wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:19 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:16 pm

Woah calm down worc

I've been with you, it's incredibly obvious you're the real one here

kgray wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:17 pm

worcej you gotta calm down, please

I'll be calm eventually. You have no idea how irate I am at the dumbass votes from Durga, TFB, Flum, Tom, and ghug.

Bozo dies D3, hard and fast. There is no discussion to be made.

Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:18 pm

I should have claimed doc too.

But in reality, gut reaction is that worcej seems sincere in his…rage. So inclined to think he is truthful. Did you crumb worcej?

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:20 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:16 pm

i hate this game

Ironically, Bona also came out looking pretty good to me.

Happy I changed my mind on you last minute. Good going Bona

Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:18 pm

I should have claimed doc too.

But in reality, gut reaction is that worcej seems sincere in his…rage. So inclined to think he is truthful. Did you crumb worcej?

worcej wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:15 pm

How many fucking clues do you all need?!?! I keep defending myself over and over, to the point I think scum are onto me. I bring up the counts of how many times you all DK me intentionally for you to pay attention and perhaps realize to NOT DAYKILL ME FOR ONCE!

worcej wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:15 pm

What's even worse is it would've been totally awesome to just keep on going, because the likelihood of me being ever NK'ed was none, but because ya'll dipshits were so stacked on me for stupid reasons I had to fucking claim so that bozo couldn't become a default clear.

worcej wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:15 pm

Best part is, none of you will even believe my HC against bozo, but at least now you can look at all the people who pushed me and didn't comment on bozo, because there are a few scum in the names listed above.

I will be either killed or RB'ed for perpetuity. GJ the dumb townies who wagoned me.

worcej wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:15 pm

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Durga/Tom/Flum/TFB/ghug: WHERE THE FUCK WAS YOUR VOTES FROM?!?! You are either worthless town or OBV!scum now for this bullshit.

President Eden wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:19 pm

I actually don't mind the no-kill and was mulling over how to tie it, but things moved really fast. Seemed like a situation where it would be helpful to get more information. But maybe that's a really dumb take. The resident galactic brains will probably swarm to fill me in soon.

There is no specific inherent reason to believe either Doctor claimant. Doctor is the most valuable role remaining, so bozo would fakeclaim it on principle if mafia. And if bozo's claim is true, worcej was plainly going to die, so of course he is also incentivized to fakeclaim, and he might as well counterclaim Doctor so that he can trade for the true Doctor. Usually you believe a counterclaimant, but the dynamic changes when the counterclaimant is slated to die absent a counterclaim.

If either of them have convincing crumbs, they should probably come forward with them now, because mafia obviously knows which claim is real; I don't see a meaningful tactical advantage to withholding that information. It's probably best for us not to discuss the matter until EON2, though, and I will withhold my own analysis until then.

As an aside, or maybe as a starting point for discussion - Chaqa, bozo, why on Earth did y'all claim so late when your wagons were manifestly obvious before the deadline? I guess whether this is good or bad depends on how you feel about chaos at EOD. (I wonder if Tom's opinion changed )



The chaos of this EOD reinforces in my mind that the talkers are basically all town. Chaos comes from uncertainty, and uncertainty stems here from a lack of obvious targets and a lack of flips to figure out our progress. There might be at most one bad guy in the movers and shakers. This game definitely feels to me like one where town is calling all of the shots, the narrative frame is extremely dynamic.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:22 pm

Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:18 pm

I should have claimed doc too.

But in reality, gut reaction is that worcej seems sincere in his…rage. So inclined to think he is truthful. Did you crumb worcej?

I mean, was this enough last minute chaos for you?

turns out you were right.

This probably gave us more info than most EODs in full reveal games normally do lmao

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:24 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:19 pm

I actually don't mind the no-kill and was mulling over how to tie it, but things moved really fast. Seemed like a situation where it would be helpful to get more information. But maybe that's a really dumb take. The resident galactic brains will probably swarm to fill me in soon.

There is no specific inherent reason to believe either Doctor claimant. Doctor is the most valuable role remaining, so bozo would fakeclaim it on principle if mafia. And if bozo's claim is true, worcej was plainly going to die, so of course he is also incentivized to fakeclaim, and he might as well counterclaim Doctor so that he can trade for the true Doctor. Usually you believe a counterclaimant, but the dynamic changes when the counterclaimant is slated to die absent a counterclaim.

If either of them have convincing crumbs, they should probably come forward with them now, because mafia obviously knows which claim is real; I don't see a meaningful tactical advantage to withholding that information. It's probably best for us not to discuss the matter until EON2, though, and I will withhold my own analysis until then.

As an aside, or maybe as a starting point for discussion - Chaqa, bozo, why on Earth did y'all claim so late when your wagons were manifestly obvious before the deadline? I guess whether this is good or bad depends on how you feel about chaos at EOD. (I wonder if Tom's opinion changed )



The chaos of this EOD reinforces in my mind that the talkers are basically all town. Chaos comes from uncertainty, and uncertainty stems here from a lack of obvious targets and a lack of flips to figure out our progress. There might be at most one bad guy in the movers and shakers. This game definitely feels to me like one where town is calling all of the shots, the narrative frame is extremely dynamic.

yep, still on my clipboard

This feels like really desperate scum squirming lol

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:22 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:20 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:16 pm

i hate this game

Ironically, Bona also came out looking pretty good to me.

Happy I changed my mind on you last minute. Good going Bona

hammer bozo

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:23 pm

I'm willing to townread Tom for the rest of the game, because I get a vague sense of disappointment he wasn't killed there.

President Eden wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:24 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:24 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:19 pm

I actually don't mind the no-kill and was mulling over how to tie it, but things moved really fast. Seemed like a situation where it would be helpful to get more information. But maybe that's a really dumb take. The resident galactic brains will probably swarm to fill me in soon.

There is no specific inherent reason to believe either Doctor claimant. Doctor is the most valuable role remaining, so bozo would fakeclaim it on principle if mafia. And if bozo's claim is true, worcej was plainly going to die, so of course he is also incentivized to fakeclaim, and he might as well counterclaim Doctor so that he can trade for the true Doctor. Usually you believe a counterclaimant, but the dynamic changes when the counterclaimant is slated to die absent a counterclaim.

If either of them have convincing crumbs, they should probably come forward with them now, because mafia obviously knows which claim is real; I don't see a meaningful tactical advantage to withholding that information. It's probably best for us not to discuss the matter until EON2, though, and I will withhold my own analysis until then.

As an aside, or maybe as a starting point for discussion - Chaqa, bozo, why on Earth did y'all claim so late when your wagons were manifestly obvious before the deadline? I guess whether this is good or bad depends on how you feel about chaos at EOD. (I wonder if Tom's opinion changed )



The chaos of this EOD reinforces in my mind that the talkers are basically all town. Chaos comes from uncertainty, and uncertainty stems here from a lack of obvious targets and a lack of flips to figure out our progress. There might be at most one bad guy in the movers and shakers. This game definitely feels to me like one where town is calling all of the shots, the narrative frame is extremely dynamic.

yep, still on my clipboard

This feels like really desperate scum squirming lol

What exactly is incorrect about what I said?

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:24 pm

how did we go from 9-3 bozo kgray to tied bozo-worcej

Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:24 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:22 pm

Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:18 pm

I should have claimed doc too.

But in reality, gut reaction is that worcej seems sincere in his…rage. So inclined to think he is truthful. Did you crumb worcej?

I mean, was this enough last minute chaos for you?

turns out you were right.

This probably gave us more info than most EODs in full reveal games normally do lmao

Hard as fuck to follow on my phone though. Don’t know how you mobile only people do it