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Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:57 pm**

BunnyGo wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:55 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm
Here's a question for all the Jasnah voters:

Who do you think we should vote out, if she were somehow off the table?

Also @Doom you're doing a great job and should post more
Bona, Chaqa, Durga, rdr

Anything in particular make you scum read Bona?

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:58 pm**

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:32 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:30 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:56 pm

....

Additionally, two hardclaims cannot exist independently. This is a big issue for me and I'm surprised others aren't making a big deal out of it. Egos, mostly.

It's possible jasnah is town doing this, but I can't see any reason for town!jasnah to fake hardclaim Miller and I can't see any reason for scum!Bunny or nonMillerTown!Bunnyt to counterclaim.

This means Bunny must be Miller and jasnah is probably scum, to me at least.
You can keep blabbing about your hard-claim all you want, put some links and all, but no real miller would be retracting it in the face of a counter-claim. She'd be on that warpath.
I continue to purport that Jasnah has not clearly retracted.

I guess I'll deal with both you and Chaqa at once here. Unless I have catastrophically misread things it is really irrelevant to the discussion what jasnah has and has not done wrt to retraction. Jasnah doesn't need to retract for it to be blatantly obvious that she's a VT given everything that has been said. You clearly care more about hard claims than anyone else does. There is literally no reason for scum!jasnah to fake claim mafia as the default immediate reaction is to kill both WHICH IS A TERRIBLE TRADE FOR MAFIA.

There are very obvious reasons to fake claim miller and we've literally rehashed them umpteen times for you. You can claim voting jasnah is good because she hasn't posted much and isn't a particularly useful town right now, but pretending that the odds are good she is scum is pretty silly. I put the odds of her being scum at <5% given what others have said and how they have tipped their hand. You're better than this type of argument Chaqa which makes me very confused.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:58 pm**

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:57 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:55 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm
Here's a question for all the Jasnah voters:

Who do you think we should vote out, if she were somehow off the table?

Also @Doom you're doing a great job and should post more
Bona, Chaqa, Durga, rdr
Anything in particular make you scum read Bona?

Early attention with lots of I'M HERE!!! I'M TOWN!!! action. Then slowly fading away...

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:58 pm**

Fluminator wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:55 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm
This game is simple.
Are you intentionally playing your scum meta just to mess with us lol

My alignment doesn't affect my playstyle. Ahem.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:59 pm**

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:57 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:55 pm

Durga wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:21 pm
Lol who had that read that when Jamie is amiable he's scum?
Very outdated, last game he was scum he was insufferable
He was also unbelievably obvious, and I'm sort of banking on that here

Yeah but it came out when he was on the chopping block. Maybe we should put him in those same circumstances.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:59 pm**

Chaqa wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:26 pm

BesharamSabi wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:22 pm
Woo 100 pages.

So I have a date today and wondering how I schedule things. What happens after EOD for both PR and VT?
Fake date, must be scum

Only if she gets stood up just before she's about to be wagoned.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:59 pm**

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:33 pm
HARD CLAIM, I'M THE DOCTOR

Uh.

Um...

Hi Brainbomb.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:59 pm**

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:51 pm

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:43 pm

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:11 pm

How serious you were and the response you had when I called it out.
Neither of those things were my entrance to the game. Also my response was great, in that it adequately explained why I made a handful of serious posts as town.

I thought it was townie of you to pick up on this early, but I think you've lost that cred by holding onto it.
Oh sorry, I forgot that I'm supposed to ignore everything prior to the last 30 minutes. Town has *never* screwed up by ignoring previous reads and getting caught up in other distracting bullshit.

No, you shouldn't hold onto it because I explained it and you're supposed to think like I do.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:00 pm**

BunnyGo wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:58 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:57 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:55 pm

Bona, Chaqa, Durga, rdr
Anything in particular make you scum read Bona?
Early attention with lots of I'M HERE!!! I'M TOWN!!! action. Then slowly fading away...

Tbf bona still in high school so he tends to post when he's not in school/doing homework. And in school learning is back so he can't be on here all the time.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:01 pm**

Vecna wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:59 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:26 pm

BesharamSabi wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:22 pm
Woo 100 pages.

So I have a date today and wondering how I schedule things. What happens after EOD for both PR and VT?
Fake date, must be scum
Only if she gets stood up just before she's about to be wagoned.

My pronouns are they/them BTW. :)

Would not be the first time I got stood up tbf.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:01 pm**

damo666 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:57 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:53 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:51 pm
Probably won't be here EOD

We should kill Jasnah.

Oracle should claim and order a reveal of deadJasnah tonight.

If scum nk the Oracle claimant we get info if they don't we have a townclear.

And with a bit of luck scum will cc.
No. I believe if Oracle got roleblocked they would not get to enter their order, so Oracle should not claim (at least not til EoN, maybe).

We should decide if the Oracle or JOAT should try to clear up jasnah. Only one should, the other shouldn't. Maybe a vote?
Yep Oracle claim EON. Oracale does it as JOAT will want to remain hidden 3 nights.

That makes sense to me. JOAT can use n1 for doc or cop

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:01 pm**

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:56 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm
Here's a question for all the Jasnah voters:

Who do you think we should vote out, if she were somehow off the table?

Also @Doom you're doing a great job and should post more
kgray
What for? Still think she's too good as scum to live?

because she's the highest poster and this game is growing too quickly

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:01 pm**

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:59 pm

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:51 pm

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:43 pm

Neither of those things were my entrance to the game. Also my response was great, in that it adequately explained why I made a handful of serious posts as town.

I thought it was townie of you to pick up on this early, but I think you've lost that cred by holding onto it.
Oh sorry, I forgot that I'm supposed to ignore everything prior to the last 30 minutes. Town has *never* screwed up by ignoring previous reads and getting caught up in other distracting bullshit.
No, you shouldn't hold onto it because I explained it and you're supposed to think like I do.

I liked your explanation less than the initial seriousness.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:02 pm**

damo666 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:57 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:53 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:51 pm
Probably won't be here EOD

We should kill Jasnah.

Oracle should claim and order a reveal of deadJasnah tonight.

If scum nk the Oracle claimant we get info if they don't we have a townclear.

And with a bit of luck scum will cc.
No. I believe if Oracle got roleblocked they would not get to enter their order, so Oracle should not claim (at least not til EoN, maybe).

We should decide if the Oracle or JOAT should try to clear up jasnah. Only one should, the other shouldn't. Maybe a vote?
Yep Oracle claim EON. Oracale does it as JOAT will want to remain hidden 3 nights.

Starting to think Flum is right about damo

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:02 pm**

BunnyGo wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:58 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:57 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:55 pm

Bona, Chaqa, Durga, rdr
Anything in particular make you scum read Bona?
Early attention with lots of I'M HERE!!! I'M TOWN!!! action. Then slowly fading away...

That actually reminds me of something I let lapse, good reminder

Vecna wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:22 am

Bonatogether wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:58 am

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:55 am

Alright bona, I don't have the energy for this.
Perhaps you can answer tomorrow?
Bona is playing in the same style as his last towngame, but he seems a lot sharper this time around.

@Vecna you said something similar two games ago when you unceremoniously booted him out [yes, you were 3P etc etc]. Would you say your current read is based off a continuation of your understanding of Bona or are you basing it entirely on the last game on account of you having been entirely wrong?

In which case, what is it about the last game that reminds you of him here?

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:03 pm**

damo666 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:01 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:56 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm

kgray
What for? Still think she's too good as scum to live?
because she's the highest poster and this game is growing too quickly

Would you vote out ghug for the same reason? Is there any other factors that colors this decision?

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:03 pm**

Snowy what are your reads?

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:03 pm**

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:59 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:57 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:55 pm

Very outdated, last game he was scum he was insufferable
He was also unbelievably obvious, and I'm sort of banking on that here
Yeah but it came out when he was on the chopping block. Maybe we should put him in those same circumstances.

No, it came out at the beginning of D2 before you subbed in.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:03 pm**

Note to new players:

If you are actually the Doctor, probably don't CC Ghug here; he is probably just fucking around.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:04 pm**

TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:58 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:32 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:30 pm

You can keep blabbing about your hard-claim all you want, put some links and all, but no real miller would be retracting it in the face of a counter-claim. She'd be on that warpath.
I continue to purport that Jasnah has not clearly retracted.
I guess I'll deal with both you and Chaqa at once here. Unless I have catastrophically misread things it is really irrelevant to the discussion what jasnah has and has not done wrt to retraction. Jasnah doesn't need to retract for it to be blatantly obvious that she's a VT given everything that has been said. You clearly care more about hard claims than anyone else does. There is literally no reason for scum!jasnah to fake claim mafia as the default immediate reaction is to kill both WHICH IS A TERRIBLE TRADE FOR MAFIA.

There are very obvious reasons to fake claim miller and we've literally rehashed them umpteen times for you. You can claim voting jasnah is good because she hasn't posted much and isn't a particularly useful town right now, but pretending that the odds are good she is scum is pretty silly. I put the odds of her being scum at <5% given what others have said and how they have tipped their hand. You're better than this type of argument Chaqa which makes me very confused.

I think you're missing that jasnah could be scum open claiming like this simply because she believed no one would think scum would do that. It's a move I could see a strong-willed player making.

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