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Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:27 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:25 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:17 pm

Oh that's why you're so keen on flipping jasnah. I can sympathize with that since I also often am tempted to flip people based on how much they irritate me.

Durga wat

Was this a secret? It's not like I'm doing that this game.

Sure you aren't

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:27 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:26 pm

BesharamSabi wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:22 pm

Woo 100 pages.

So I have a date today and wondering how I schedule things. What happens after EOD for both PR and VT?

Fake date, must be scum

Your experience is not automatically the experience of others, Chaqa, bud.

Yes, some people have real dates.

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm

Here's a question for all the Jasnah voters:

Who do you think we should vote out, if she were somehow off the table?

Also @Doom you're doing a great job and should post more

kgray

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:51 pm

Probably won't be here EOD

We should kill Jasnah.

Oracle should claim and order a reveal of deadJasnah tonight.

If scum nk the Oracle claimant we get info if they don't we have a townclear.

And with a bit of luck scum will cc.

No. I believe if Oracle got roleblocked they would not get to enter their order, so Oracle should not claim (at least not til EoN, maybe).

We should decide if the Oracle or JOAT should try to clear up jasnah. Only one should, the other shouldn't. Maybe a vote?

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm

Here's a question for all the Jasnah voters:

Who do you think we should vote out, if she were somehow off the table?

Also @Doom you're doing a great job and should post more

Bunny

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:51 pm

Probably won't be here EOD

We should kill Jasnah.

Oracle should claim and order a reveal of deadJasnah tonight.

If scum nk the Oracle claimant we get info if they don't we have a townclear.

And with a bit of luck scum will cc.

Booooo

President Eden wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:30 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:23 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:18 pm

This is a Chaqa heuristic I can get behind, he's that way in Among Us as well.

Welcome to the town pile, there are drinks in the back

President Eden wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:53 pm

He’s not that consistent. Loathe as some of you are to admit it, his mafia play defies simplistic heuristics.

Which is it, Eden?

Seeing an easy opportunity to get me miskilled?

As you will inevitably see when you finish reading, my take is that ghug is onto something but that it's not a 100% all-or-nothing tell. It is true that you show less nuance when you're impostor/mafia and that you are more likely to default to simplistic explanations and frames. You have been doing that here.

This reaction is also typical of your impostor/mafia game.

Lol, you gave that not 100% clarification after he accused you of trying to miskill him.

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:41 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:07 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:00 pm

For me it's more that he's been generally shitty.

Okay and what does that mean? How does it have anything to do with his Miller claim?

a) I think Bunny is one of the few people here who would consider faking that play as scum.
b) I scumread him before, and since the claim all he's done is push jasnah and be occasionally sanctimonious, which doesn't make him look any better.
c) Neither of those things matter, since there will be a CC if he's scum. The point here was to validate Vecna but remind him that we have to assume Bunny's town.

He would consider faking it, I think, but the way he went about making his claim gives him (at least in my book) no room to back out if his claim is revealed to be fake. I imagine most other people viewing the situation feel likewise. Thus, given the presence of both an Oracle and a JOAT that can investigate dead players' roles, and the high likelihood that those powers would get used on jasnah, it seems incredibly unlikely to me that he would actually go through with the play in the manner he did. He might still do it, but it would be less serious and easier to escape when things invariably go south for him.

I disagree that he's been sanctimonious and I think y'all have a bad tendency to read bad intent into things that doesn't have to be there.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm

This game is simple.

Are you intentionally playing your scum meta just to mess with us lol

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:49 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:21 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:15 pm

It kinda pinged me too, but ultimately I'm the sort of person who gets convinced by little townslips that nobody wants to take as seriously too, so it's not a slam dunk. Vote him for my reason.

I don't mind your black-and-white reason because yeah it's similar to the 'no scum bussed teacon' thing but I really struggle to see scum!Chaqa going off about a few people scumreading him hours into the game.

Yeah I did like that, but he's no longer the sort of player we can dismiss as unable to fake emotion.

It's the timing that makes me thing it's unlikely to come from scum, not the emotion. Nobody is actually afraid of getting DK'd 5 hours into the game. Way more likely that town is irritated that people are already declaring them scum and reacting out of frustration than scum is panicking that they're under pressure of being found out.

Unless Chaqa is frustrated that Vecna is his teammate, maybe.

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm

Here's a question for all the Jasnah voters:

Who do you think we should vote out, if she were somehow off the table?

Also @Doom you're doing a great job and should post more

Bona, Chaqa, Durga, rdr

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:21 pm

Lol who had that read that when Jamie is amiable he's scum?

Very outdated, last game he was scum he was insufferable

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:34 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:33 pm

Doom427 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:30 pm

Ok, but that only makes sense if we're talking about a real power that actually helps us. If I'm saying "HARD CLAIM, I'M THE DOCTOR", I don't think that should be respected, b/c like you said there's no reason for me to claim it. But miller is a shitty anti-role that's only power is hurting town scans. There had been quite a bit of chatter about how Miller should hard claim in the middle of D1, even without pressure. The only drawback is maybe the Mafia shoots the Miller if everyone trusts them. Oh no.

HARD CLAIM, I'M THE DOCTOR

I unironically believe you, and expect it to be like when I outright admitted I was mafia and everyone took it as a joke.

I'm the Priest.

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm

Here's a question for all the Jasnah voters:

Who do you think we should vote out, if she were somehow off the table?

Also @Doom you're doing a great job and should post more

I still think worcej is sus but that's just me.

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:54 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:30 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:23 pm

Which is it, Eden?

Seeing an easy opportunity to get me miskilled?

As you will inevitably see when you finish reading, my take is that ghug is onto something but that it's not a 100% all-or-nothing tell. It is true that you show less nuance when you're impostor/mafia and that you are more likely to default to simplistic explanations and frames. You have been doing that here.

This reaction is also typical of your impostor/mafia game.

Lol, you gave that not 100% clarification after he accused you of trying to miskill him.

It was not quite a cross-post, as I took a few minutes to think about the situation, but I hadn't read his message when I posted mine.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:52 pm

Here's a question for all the Jasnah voters:

Who do you think we should vote out, if she were somehow off the table?

Also @Doom you're doing a great job and should post more

kgray

What for? Still think she's too good as scum to live?

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:36 pm

BunnyGo wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:33 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:27 pm

Was this a secret? It's not like I'm doing that this game.

your votes are TFB, me, worcej, and ghug...

I love at least 50 percent of those people, and if you add bozo it gets even higher

You might love more than 50% of those people?

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:55 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:21 pm

Lol who had that read that when Jamie is amiable he's scum?

Very outdated, last game he was scum he was insufferable

He was also unbelievably obvious, and I'm sort of banking on that here

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:53 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:51 pm

Probably won't be here EOD

We should kill Jasnah.

Oracle should claim and order a reveal of deadJasnah tonight.

If scum nk the Oracle claimant we get info if they don't we have a townclear.

And with a bit of luck scum will cc.

No. I believe if Oracle got roleblocked they would not get to enter their order, so Oracle should not claim (at least not til EoN, maybe).

We should decide if the Oracle or JOAT should try to clear up jasnah. Only one should, the other shouldn't. Maybe a vote?

Yep Oracle claim EON. Oracale does it as JOAT will want to remain hidden 3 nights.