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Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:29 am**

President Eden wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:18 am

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:13 am
Okay but that's not what Eden is saying. Eden said Durga believing jasnah was fakeclaiming made Durga scummy. I disagreed. Eden then said Durga thought jasnah and Bunny were both town and *that's* what makes Durga scummy.
You are oversimplifying when I think I've pretty clearly explained my thought process. It isn't about the position itself, but the immediacy and the certainty of it. More troubling, I think you know this and that this is an intentional misrepresentation rather than a genuine misunderstanding.

Dude you literally said this:

"Reaching the conclusion that both of them are town, that quickly, may indicate foreknowledge that both were town, which Durga would have if she were mafia."

If you don't want me to think that's what you think, maybe don't type it? That way I won't misrepresent your thoughts.

And ftr I also pretty quickly thought they were both town, so.... I'm not bothered if she did.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:30 am**

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:11 am

Bonatogether wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:51 am

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:41 am

a) I don't remember ever buddying you as scum. I remember trying my hardest to get town to ignore your constant insistence that celaph and I were scumbuddies.

b) You misinterpreted that entire situation, I think. I don't think scum!Chaqa panics at that amount of pressure at that time, and I also think Eden agreed with me.

c) My D1 no-kill list is not specific to this game (and tbh isn't really a thing, but I generally start there). My response to worcej's post was specific to this game.

d) I have no idea what you're implying with this post.
a) I said I remember you doing something like buddying me (edit: I found it - it was the bona is sharp business)

b) I misread this post

c) What are your reasons, then?

d) that I don't like it and find it scum-indicative
My reasons for not wanting to kill the people on worcej's list? I mostly just didn't see anything I thought was scummy from those people besides Bunny, and partly ghug.

But isn't the point of the list that the people on it can hide well as scum?

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:32 am**

President Eden wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:18 am

Durga wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:08 am

President Eden wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:06 am

You aren't engaging with what I'm actually saying. If I'm wrong and you're town then you are choosing one of the worst possible strategies to help me see it.
Idk if this helps but when I read jasnahs claim I dismissed it in my head as a joke since that's all she'd done so far and someone said she once caught five scum in a row. I wasn't sure what to make of bunny's claim but after thinking about it I feel like he wouldn't fake claim it as scum so early so I took my vote off him.
It does, thanks. What made you initially unsure about Bunny's claim?

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:13 am

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:55 am

I don't think she did, at least immediately.. She thought jasnah was fakeclaiming town and bunny was scum, which makes minimal sense, and then she attacked everyone who called her out on it instead of explaining her position (which, sadly, is NAI).
Okay but that's not what Eden is saying. Eden said Durga believing jasnah was fakeclaiming made Durga scummy. I disagreed. Eden then said Durga thought jasnah and Bunny were both town and *that's* what makes Durga scummy.
You are oversimplifying when I think I've pretty clearly explained my thought process. It isn't about the position itself, but the immediacy and the certainty of it. More troubling, I think you know this and that this is an intentional misrepresentation rather than a genuine misunderstanding.

Well since I had internally dismissed jasnahs claim I was confused why he claimed anything and then I thought maybe he was doing it as scum since a bunch of us were voting him at that time

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:32 am**

Fluminator wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:12 pm
Durga's reaction to the claims is the first thing that had me start moving her to the towny side tbh.

Why?

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:33 am**

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:19 am

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:13 am

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:55 am

I don't think she did, at least immediately.. She thought jasnah was fakeclaiming town and bunny was scum, which makes minimal sense, and then she attacked everyone who called her out on it instead of explaining her position (which, sadly, is NAI).
Okay but that's not what Eden is saying. Eden said Durga believing jasnah was fakeclaiming made Durga scummy. I disagreed. Eden then said Durga thought jasnah and Bunny were both town and *that's* what makes Durga scummy.
Well, I can't speak for Eden. I still kinda think he's scum. I did find Durga's initial reaction weird in the moment, but I'm coming around on its legitimacy.

Get a backbone

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:33 am**

President Eden wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:26 am
kgray, why are you voting for BG, and who are your primary [other, if BG is still one] suspects and why?

Just haven't changed it yet. I think he's probably the Miller, this reminds me of what he did that game when I was the Jailor and he was also a PR and did weird crumbing stuff... And I can't imagine he'd be feeling enough pressure to CC jasnah if he's scum.

I don't know yet who's going to replace him. Maybe bozo tbh. I don't feel good about you or ghug or Tom or Flum or even Chaqa anymore.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:34 am**

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:15 am

worcej wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:05 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:59 pm

You realize literally everyone who reacted to your comment about jasnah obviously faking were stunned that you were so sure of it right? I mean come on It's hardly a reach to think, particularly if jasnah actually is town, that the one person who dismissively said that it was an obvious fakeclaim might be operating from knowledge the rest of us lack.
Durga's response here to PE would fit trying to back peddle after her slip too.
gtfo what slip

The potential slip by her immediate reaction of jasnah’s claim.

It’s entirely plausible she could fuck up and say with so much certainty that jasnah was fake claiming.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:34 am**

Durga wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:33 am

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:19 am

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:13 am

Okay but that's not what Eden is saying. Eden said Durga believing jasnah was fakeclaiming made Durga scummy. I disagreed. Eden then said Durga thought jasnah and Bunny were both town and *that's* what makes Durga scummy.
Well, I can't speak for Eden. I still kinda think he's scum. I did find Durga's initial reaction weird in the moment, but I'm coming around on its legitimacy.
Get a backbone

Answer my questions.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:35 am**

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:28 am

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:26 am

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:29 pm

Like Jamiet said that was just me being an idiot. I shouldn't even be playing right now but eh, you know me

Also good, you're finally here. I need you to thread your killer instincts here because I'm not really feeling it right now
Dislike this interaction
I respect rdrivera's reads greatly and had you an ounce of sense within yourselves so would you.

You know, when he deigns to share any.

I respect his reads a lot, so much so that I often let him speak for me.

The part that I thought was weird was where you felt the need to point out that you're not really feeling his killer instincts, because I don't think anybody in their right mind would disagree with you.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:35 am**

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:34 am

Durga wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:33 am

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:19 am

Well, I can't speak for Eden. I still kinda think he's scum. I did find Durga's initial reaction weird in the moment, but I'm coming around on its legitimacy.
Get a backbone
Answer my questions.

Which

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:35 am**

Eden v Durga seems TvT to me.

How do people feel about Vecna's case on Jamiet? Seems a little flimsy, yeah?

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:36 am**

Bonatogether wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:30 am

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:11 am

Bonatogether wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:51 am

a) I said I remember you doing something like buddying me (edit: I found it - it was the bona is sharp business)

b) I misread this post

c) What are your reasons, then?

d) that I don't like it and find it scum-indicative
My reasons for not wanting to kill the people on worcej's list? I mostly just didn't see anything I thought was scummy from those people besides Bunny, and partly ghug.
But isn't the point of the list that the people on it can hide well as scum?

That is what he said, yes. My comment was to point out that regardless of worcej's assessment of those people's scum skills, I wasn't feeling it as a list of potential kills.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:37 am**

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:35 am

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:28 am

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:26 am

Dislike this interaction
I respect rdrivera's reads greatly and had you an ounce of sense within yourselves so would you.

You know, when he deigns to share any.
I respect his reads a lot, so much so that I often let him speak for me.

The part that I thought was weird was where you felt the need to point out that you're not really feeling his killer instincts, because I don't think anybody in their right mind would disagree with you.

No I'm not feeling it right now [then]. I guess it was a bit ambiguous

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:37 am**

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:33 am

President Eden wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:26 am
kgray, why are you voting for BG, and who are your primary [other, if BG is still one] suspects and why?
Just haven't changed it yet. I think he's probably the Miller, this reminds me of what he did that game when I was the Jailor and he was also a PR and did weird crumbing stuff... And I can't imagine he'd be feeling enough pressure to CC jasnah if he's scum.

I don't know yet who's going to replace him. Maybe bozo tbh. I don't feel good about you or ghug or Tom or Flum or even Chaqa anymore.

I ask because all your questions have a very accusatory edge to them, but don't seem to be driving at a specific conclusion. I figured you would have more certain suspects than this, and I'm a bit lost as to what you're trying to accomplish right now.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:37 am**

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:34 am

Durga wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:33 am

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:19 am

Well, I can't speak for Eden. I still kinda think he's scum. I did find Durga's initial reaction weird in the moment, but I'm coming around on its legitimacy.
Get a backbone
Answer my questions.

And cut it out. Three's nothing spineless here. You said something that was weird, I and several others called you out on it, you eventually elucidated the thought process that got you there, and now I'm ok with it. I'm still not ok with you, for another reason that I've made very clear, and for your continued preference to agitate me rather than engage. I'm not biting. Answer my questions.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:38 am**

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:15 am

Durga wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:58 am

ghug wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:55 am

I don't think she did, at least immediately.. She thought jasnah was fakeclaiming town and bunny was scum, which makes minimal sense, and then she attacked everyone who called her out on it instead of explaining her position (which, sadly, is NAI).
Way to misrepresent me again. I'm not impressed. I very much explained my thoughts and to pretend I didn't is really shady.
There's the attacking your accuser thing again.

Answer me these:
a) What was your immediate read of Bunny after he claimed?
aa) If scum, what led you to the conclusion that two people claimed Miller and neither was the Miller.
b) Have your reads of Bunny and/or jasnah changed since your initial reactions?

It's specifically aa) that I think you haven't explained. You did explain why you thought jasnah was fakeclaiming.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:38 am**

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:35 am
Eden v Durga seems TvT to me.

How do people feel about Vecna's case on Jamiet? Seems a little flimsy, yeah?

Yeah I'm trying to figure out whether I feel like either Eden or ghugs push on me is even a little genuine

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:38 am**

worcej wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:34 am

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:15 am

worcej wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:05 pm
Durga's response here to PE would fit trying to back peddle after her slip too.
gtfo what slip
The potential slip by her immediate reaction of jasnah’s claim.

It’s entirely plausible she could fuck up and say with so much certainty that jasnah was fake claiming.

How would scum!Durga immediately know jasnah was fake claiming?

The only scenario where that is possible is that they're teammates. And in that case, in what world does Durga immediately react like that in a way that doesn't even get her towncread for bussing jasnah?

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:38 am**

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:35 am
Eden v Durga seems TvT to me.

How do people feel about Vecna's case on Jamiet? Seems a little flimsy, yeah?

Yeh I'm coming around on Durga.

Posted: **Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:39 am**

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:37 am

kgray wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:35 am

snowy801 wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:28 am

I respect rdrivera's reads greatly and had you an ounce of sense within yourselves so would you.

You know, when he deigns to share any.
I respect his reads a lot, so much so that I often let him speak for me.

The part that I thought was weird was where you felt the need to point out that you're not really feeling his killer instincts, because I don't think anybody in their right mind would disagree with you.
No I'm not feeling it right now [then]. I guess it was a bit ambiguous

Ohhh, my bad.

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