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ghug wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:52 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:51 pm

I'm not sure why you'd be so confident in this.

Nothing about this play makes any sense as scum

It's creating a metric ton of chaos that we can't clear up without heavily using our PRs or two daykills. Nothing about it makes sense as town.

Sorry why would scum want to use up two daykills to kill off one of their own? In what world is that a reasonable tradeoff?

President Eden wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:53 pm

I am confident after the recent pages that BunnyGo is the genuine article. If the BG wagon rightfully dissolves, then we can consider whether it's worth trying to find a better target than jasnah (who I think plausibly could have fakeclaimed as town), but as long as it's jasnah vs BunnyGo, I'm voting jasnah and it's not particularly close.

If we actually do look elsewhere then I'd like to look at Durga. She's taken a reactive posture that's uncharacteristic of her town play, and I can't shake the nagging feeling that her comment that jasnah was "obviously faking" came from the mindset of someone who knows who is and isn't mafia.

But I'm not going to go there as long as jasnah vs BunnyGo is the wagon. And I cannot emphasize enough that we should not kill both of them.

How would scum!Durga know jasnah was "obviously faking" if jasnah is town? Durga would have no idea who the miller is. And why would scum!Durga defend her teammate jasnah?

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:57 pm

Let's wait for bozo to tell us who to kill.
And if not, lets keep killing damo.

You wanna explain that damo read Flum?

Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:59 pm

I find worcejs reaction extremely suspicious if jasnah is scum considering how quick he was to immediately think she must be scum from a play that makes zero sense as either alignment.

Friendly reminder these "if" statements are useless this game

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:05 pm

President Eden wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:59 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:56 pm

Come at me PE, still waiting to see the other posts that indicated I have superior knowledge or w/e you said. I'm more baffled that you didn't think she was faking given the rest of her posts.

Also, I agree we shouldn't kill both. Heck, I'm now thinking we shouldn't kill either.

You realize literally everyone who reacted to your comment about jasnah obviously faking were stunned that you were so sure of it right? I mean come on It's hardly a reach to think, particularly if jasnah actually is town, that the one person who dismissively said that it was an obvious fakeclaim might be operating from knowledge the rest of us lack.

Durga's response here to PE would fit trying to back peddle after her slip too.

gtfo what slip

TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:55 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:39 pm

long mediocre post

In what world have I not said much? I feel like I've said a fuck ton about the virtue of day killing and was one of the early leaders of the charge for that with multiple posts chock full of terrible prose defending it. Same with the miller D1 reveal. Also posted some reads that other people actually found pleasant to read, smh

Nothing you have said has been memorable - you have talked a lot of theory and not a lot of interesting reads.

TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:58 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:26 pm

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:08 pm

kgray, huh? Sell me on this. What makes her scum?

a decent amount of small things

a) comments about me and her being buddies are a thing she did as scum recently

b) viewtopic.php?p=257194#p257194 (if i really was celaph i'd do the fancy link business) is something that like, I've never heard of? It doesn't jibe with what I know of Chaqa (and Eden's take agrees with me), it plays off what Durga said in a way to shade Chaqa but then claims that she's on his side (which in other comments she is), so I scum this interaction

c) Weird disagreement with worcej's post of good scum players, which is broadly right (and has me on it so that's good). I have some slight quibbles with it, like I would put rdr on it, but kgray's previous list of people she isn't willing to dk today does not have sufficient overlap for there to be only 1.5 players on worcej's list.

d) viewtopic.php?p=257333#p257333

This is actually interesting I am still leaning Flum, but that kill strong scum in an NR game does seem somewhat reasonable to me as well.

wdym?

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:08 pm

kgary how come I haven't seen the town juice from you yet.

I wasn't aware that you were even reading the game

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:22 pm

##CALL GM:

Are you going to post any Vote Counts or are you expecting us to rely entirely on a third party bot to do that work for you?

Completely Fallible Human Yet GM Vote Count Day One The First
(Through post 1366)

jasnah(6) - Fluminator, BunnyGo*, worcej*, Jamiet99uk, President Eden, Tom Bombadil
BunnyGo(5) - kgray, Doom427, damo666, Chaqa, lfischl
worcej(2) - snowy801, Durga
Bonatogether(1) - BesharamSabi
Jamiet99uk(1) - Vecna
Durga(1) - ghug
President Eden(1) - jasnah
kgray(1) - Bonatogether

Unvote - TheFlyingBoat

Currently, JASNAH is set to be killed!

NOTE: There is a discrepancy from the bot because Flum can't spell.

If any players notice further discrepancies they are encouraged to reach out to the GM first.

Still needing to cast a vote: bozotheclown, rdrivera2005

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:15 pm

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:57 pm

Let's wait for bozo to tell us who to kill.
And if not, lets keep killing damo.

I do not know what is going on.

At first I thought BunnyGo might have left fake miller crumbs as mafia in case he was ever cop scanned, then decided to use the crumbs to CC the miller claim since he was the lead wagon. However, jasnah now seems to be indicating her claim was fake, which would leave no reason not to believe BunnyGo's miller claim. jasnah claiming miller as mafia does not make sense, but I do not think fake claiming miller is a good town play either.

How come you're not looking for scum theater in this mess??

Vecna wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:15 pm

jasnah wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:33 pm

I think the best play is still to kill Bunny because if he is town, he will drive the town into the ground, and if he's mafia, then killing him helps town

##vote bunnygo

lol, I thought u were just kidding, but did it just turn into openwolfing season?

What about this post makes you think jasnah is more scummy than the rest of her posts?

TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:30 pm

##VOTE BunnyGo

Two quick votes to end from him and worcej before we can even discuss the matter and before the original claimant can respond seems super suspect to me.

I’ve been endvoting everyone.

And I don’t think I need to hear from Jasnah. She’s probably town with this bad claim. But she’s also clever enough to know that I (and everyone else) would think that. And she’s confident enough to try to double bluff us like that if she were on the scum team. I don’t see a way I trust her as my teammate from here on out.

##unvote

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:22 pm

I scumlean kgruy for making comments about me pocketing her, which I recall her doing another time when she was scum recently.

phew, bona is town

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:12 am

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:57 pm

Let's wait for bozo to tell us who to kill.
And if not, lets keep killing damo.

You wanna explain that damo read Flum?

Not until I'm done with him.

Damo why do you think I'm voting you?

ghug wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:30 pm

Given that the counterclaimant is Bunny, I'm less sure than I'd like to be, but I think the play here is to kill jasnah and be done with it.

##VOTE jasnah

That’s very sweet of you to say.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:10 am

President Eden wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:53 pm

I am confident after the recent pages that BunnyGo is the genuine article. If the BG wagon rightfully dissolves, then we can consider whether it's worth trying to find a better target than jasnah (who I think plausibly could have fakeclaimed as town), but as long as it's jasnah vs BunnyGo, I'm voting jasnah and it's not particularly close.

If we actually do look elsewhere then I'd like to look at Durga. She's taken a reactive posture that's uncharacteristic of her town play, and I can't shake the nagging feeling that her comment that jasnah was "obviously faking" came from the mindset of someone who knows who is and isn't mafia.

But I'm not going to go there as long as jasnah vs BunnyGo is the wagon. And I cannot emphasize enough that we should not kill both of them.

How would scum!Durga know jasnah was "obviously faking" if jasnah is town? Durga would have no idea who the miller is. And why would scum!Durga defend her teammate jasnah?

To be more precise, Durga's post indicated that she immediately believed that jasnah was both town and fakeclaiming. That obviously means BG is the genuine Miller and is also town. Reaching a conclusion that one is genuine and one is fakeclaiming obviously doesn't indicate anything (one of them has to be, and there's no inherent reason why quickly deciding that jasnah was the fakeclaimer is suspicious). Reaching the conclusion that both of them are town, that quickly, may indicate foreknowledge that both were town, which Durga would have if she were mafia.

It's not a 100% logical proof and of course you're free to disagree with my suspicion that she reached that conclusion due to foreknowledge from being mafia. But it isn't that she knew which Miller claim was fake, but rather that she believed both were town.

DemonRHK wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:16 am

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 11:22 pm

##CALL GM:

Are you going to post any Vote Counts or are you expecting us to rely entirely on a third party bot to do that work for you?

Completely Fallible Human Yet GM Vote Count Day One The First
(Through post 1366)

jasnah(6) - Fluminator, BunnyGo*, worcej*, Jamiet99uk, President Eden, Tom Bombadil
BunnyGo(5) - kgray, Doom427, damo666, Chaqa, lfischl
worcej(2) - snowy801, Durga
Bonatogether(1) - BesharamSabi
Jamiet99uk(1) - Vecna
Durga(1) - ghug
President Eden(1) - jasnah
kgray(1) - Bonatogether

Unvote - TheFlyingBoat

Currently, JASNAH is set to be killed!

NOTE: There is a discrepancy from the bot because Flum can't spell.

If any players notice further discrepancies they are encouraged to reach out to the GM first.

Still needing to cast a vote: bozotheclown, rdrivera2005

Seemed like an intentional misspell from Flum

jasnah wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:32 pm

TBH it would have been useful to town that I become clear, subsequently everyone can vote the mafia I'm on and we easily win.

If Bunnygo is a town, he played really bad here, because town is guaranteed to win once it's accepted that I'm conf PR, doesn't matter what role DemonRHK wants to think I am

Seriously? ##end