M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

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Re: M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

#3701 Post by rdrivera2005 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:27 pm

Chaqa wrote:
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@rivera: you’ve had two different instances this game where you say I did something or was pushing for something that was demonstrably false that you never responded to.

Are you not reading or were you stuck in a tunnel on me, what’s the deal?
I am not stuck on a tunnel on you and on my last post I said I think you are probably the cop.

What I said is that you agreed with Jamiet plan to kill Jasnah D1 and Bunny D2 and you answered that you agreed with killing Jasnah and using the Oracle (or Joat, I don't remember now). It's not false you agreed with this plan but you also agreed with Jamiet idea (I can quote the post later if you really want, but I am on cell now) and I thought you were deflecting.
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#3702 Post by snowy801 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:28 pm

TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:25 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:52 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:50 pm


If she were the Godfather this would have been the worst mafia play I've ever seen in my life. This is just dumb Chaqa.
Hi TFB

You mentioned VCA as a factor in your earlier reads list. Can you describe how you analyzed the votes, in the absence of the flip?
So there was a scummy vote pattern I don't like which was Cha->Jas. I started there. Then after that I operate off of the assumption that most scum would like to hide on the Jasnah wagon because it's so lazy and so easy to deflect accountability on. Then I tried to narrow down the list based on their justifications for their votes and how much sense they made.
What makes you so confident that if Jasnah were scum, her teammates would unilaterally bus her? It was not evident to me that Jasnah would win (or lose I guess) in the scramble, and esp. as the votes ended 8-10 a single vote [9-9] might've made the save viable. Is it that obvious that all 3 scum teammates would forego this opportunity for nebulous credit that may never emerge?
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#3703 Post by kgray » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:28 pm

ghug wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:18 pm
kgray wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:16 pm
I'd just like for everyone who keeps shading me to explain why in a sentence that doesn't include the word "worcej." I'm so sick of these weak scumreads for no good reason.
You bus Chaqa.
Tell me why I'd have voted for him when I did yesterday *and tried to convince Bunny and TFB to vote for him too* if I were his teammate? In a no-reveal game?
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#3704 Post by ghug » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:28 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:15 pm
Vecna wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:11 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:05 pm


Ominous? I'll show you... ominous

(though I meant the post you quoted)
what does the last sentence mean? You were replying to my post to praise something you yourself said? Or were you replying to my post, because it was quoting you quoting chaqa, and you wanted to compliment chaqa?

This is a peculiar little interaction.
I don't know if I'm unclear or people just like to introduce ambiguity when there is none. I tend to think the latter.

I don't think scum!Vecna fakes being paranoid about being mocked by a scum +1ing an accurate shot in the dark. I'd be truly impressed if you did
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#3705 Post by kgray » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:30 pm

ghug wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:20 pm
kgray wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:30 pm
Durga wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:28 pm


?
You said you don't understand my thought process this game (and indicated you were scumreading me for that) but I had almost this exact reaction to rivera's post, shared your skepticism about Bunny's you/bona analysis, and have had similar questions about snowy. It's like you're ignoring all that and only focusing on the fact that I didn't save worcej and it's really frustrating me.
Those are both incredibly easy things to take issue with as scum.
What do you mean, "both"? I'm making one point here. Are you even reading what I'm saying before you make this baseless accusations?
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#3706 Post by rdrivera2005 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:30 pm

kgray wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:31 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:16 pm
My take is I usually have the same thoughts as Kgray when we are both town to the point of naming her my spokesperson because she usually made the points I want to make in a better way.
I don't even think this is true at this point.
What you don't think is true?
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#3707 Post by ghug » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:30 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:58 pm
Ok so Chaqa thinks that scum tried to save Jasnah, and he thought it was important to draw attention to this theory.

At the same time, he refuses to talk about the ringleader of the late-D1 "SAVE JASNAH!" push. (i.e. Ghug), and indicates a refusal to talk about him until several days from now.

If its so important to avoid discussing Ghug, why did you want to discuss events in which Ghug was a pivotal actor?

Not fucking helpful Chaqa.
Feels like he's trying to set me up.
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#3708 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:31 pm

Doom427 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:25 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:10 pm
Vecna wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:33 pm
I thought i had read all of D2, but maybe im making an error and I skipped a bunch of pages and jumped back to EoD1.

Do you think it is at all possible that Jasnah couldve been scum and there was an effort made by 1-2 people to save her? (especially of concern/interest; Bozo, TFB, snowy is already discussed, im guessing your Kgray read has something to do with it?)

Do you feel PE is arguing from a place of bad faith linking you to Chaqa?
If Jasnah were scum, bussing her without reservations is the right call for every mafia member. I'm willing to bet regardless of her alignment that 3 of the people on her wagon will be scum. It's such an easy vote that so many would expect little to no accountability for.
This seems to be based on the idea that this is a flip game. But it isn't. We don't know what the role is, so we don't actually give any credit for people on the wagon. It's pretty easy to post-hoc say "Was she scum, who knows? It's a question." Defending her if she is scum seems the obvious play "I thought she was Townie! And you can't prove she's not, so I might be right". You look like an idiot if she is scum, but we won't actually know unless we burn oracle or JOAT.

It's not based on it primarily. The fact of the matter is when we get later into the game you want as few negative tells against you as possible as scum. You'll want votes that are easy to justify and hard to question. That's what Jasnah offers. It was an easy wagon. I personally think she's town and the plans to kill both her and bunnygo made it so easy for mafia to not only escape the problems of committing words to paper in complex discussions but also avoid scum kills two days in a row and take two townies with them. If she isn't town and is mafia, which strikes me as exceedingly unlikely, then she is still an easy bussing target because expending that level of effort to defend someone who wasn't defending themself would likely appear as odd and invite unwanted attention to scum folk.
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#3709 Post by ghug » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:31 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:09 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:06 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:05 pm


Not to discourage Chaqa from talking or anything, but I think we should talk about someone other than him for once.

How do you feel about the idea that TFB is curating his posts/coached/went from active to lurking real quick?

I did notice he made a big post not long after the last suggestion was made.
I was trying to talk about Ghug but apparently that's not allowed.
Talk about ghug if you prefer. Do you have anything interesting on him?

I think he's about as obviously town as ghug can be but apparently by view is not necessarily shared.
I share it.
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#3710 Post by ghug » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:32 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:16 pm
Vecna wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:40 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:12 am


Claiming to save your neck is sus as hell.
If he is the Cop scum will keep RBing him forever so it's a useless Cop.l and people will keep discuss forever. The RB thing is the only net positive outcome of keeping him alive.

This said, I am starting to think his claim might be true.

Other quick takes. Ghug is probably town and Kgray is probably scum.
Care to talk about the Kgray read? im intrigued
My take is I usually have the same thoughts as Kgray when we are both town to the point of naming her my spokesperson because she usually made the points I want to make in a better way. This game I fail to follow almost all takes she is doing, like voting Chaqa and the way she interacted with Flum and Durga.

On the other side I can rreally follow Ghug's logic (considering I tunneled a town Ghug last game maybe this isn't that good).
Yeah lol I think I'm leaning scum on you because we're agreeing so much.

Wanna ##VOTE kgray with me?
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#3711 Post by snowy801 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:32 pm

ghug wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:31 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:09 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:06 pm


I was trying to talk about Ghug but apparently that's not allowed.
Talk about ghug if you prefer. Do you have anything interesting on him?

I think he's about as obviously town as ghug can be but apparently by view is not necessarily shared.
I share it.
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#3712 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:32 pm

ghug wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:30 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 3:58 pm
Ok so Chaqa thinks that scum tried to save Jasnah, and he thought it was important to draw attention to this theory.

At the same time, he refuses to talk about the ringleader of the late-D1 "SAVE JASNAH!" push. (i.e. Ghug), and indicates a refusal to talk about him until several days from now.

If its so important to avoid discussing Ghug, why did you want to discuss events in which Ghug was a pivotal actor?

Not fucking helpful Chaqa.
Feels like he's trying to set me up.
That is actually one potential take on it, yes.
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#3713 Post by ghug » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:33 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:19 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:09 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:06 pm


I was trying to talk about Ghug but apparently that's not allowed.
Talk about ghug if you prefer. Do you have anything interesting on him?

I think he's about as obviously town as ghug can be but apparently by view is not necessarily shared.
I'm not sold on Ghug being town at all. He's made a lot of noise but a lot of his posts seem like filler or shitposts (including his Doctor claim).

When a wagon formed on him for a while in D1 he did not respond to it at all, he just ignored it and hoped it would go away, which strikes me as more of a scum!ghug reaction.

I am genuinely interested in the way Ghug was so insistent on the importance of saving Jasnah at all costs. Why stick his neck out and be so forceful in demanding that a posse form up with him to save a liar and scum-suspect who had been plausibly counter-claimed?
Because she opaquely retracted it, which was just about the last thing I could see scum doing in that situation.
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#3714 Post by rdrivera2005 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:35 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:33 pm
Those are reasonable motives, I admit.

Well, you keep keeping an eye out.

@rdrivera/kgray have you noticed you both claim the other puts your thoughts to words better than yourselves?
I don't think Kgray said this, but if she did I will take as a great compliment.

Honestly, I usually have a hard time convincing people of my thoughts even when I am totally sure of it (remember the game I was cop and people still choose to believe Bozo). I think she write things more objectively and people tend to follow her.
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#3715 Post by kgray » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:35 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:30 pm
kgray wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:31 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:16 pm
My take is I usually have the same thoughts as Kgray when we are both town to the point of naming her my spokesperson because she usually made the points I want to make in a better way.
I don't even think this is true at this point.
What you don't think is true?
That you usually call me your spokesperson when we're both town. You didn't in that mini game where you were the vig (and in fact you made the same argument about me not being your spokesperson to contribute to your scumread of me) and you didn't when I subbed in for brain a game or two ago, where you also scumread me (though subbing late is kind of different).
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#3716 Post by ghug » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:36 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:38 pm
kgray wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:37 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:33 pm
Those are reasonable motives, I admit.

Well, you keep keeping an eye out.

@rdrivera/kgray have you noticed you both claim the other puts your thoughts to words better than yourselves?
Yes lmao it's been a joke with us for over a year now. It comes up basically every game and Rivera often uses it as part of a basis for his read of me, but I don't think it's at all as consistent of a tell as he thinks/pretends.
Well yeah I get the basis of the joke I just think it's cute that you both compliment the other as being better phrased than yourselves, instead of just pulling a ghug and saying "they're mini-me"
Kgray is specifically teenage ghug. Don't undersell the nuance there.
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#3717 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:37 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:28 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:25 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:52 pm


Hi TFB

You mentioned VCA as a factor in your earlier reads list. Can you describe how you analyzed the votes, in the absence of the flip?
So there was a scummy vote pattern I don't like which was Cha->Jas. I started there. Then after that I operate off of the assumption that most scum would like to hide on the Jasnah wagon because it's so lazy and so easy to deflect accountability on. Then I tried to narrow down the list based on their justifications for their votes and how much sense they made.
What makes you so confident that if Jasnah were scum, her teammates would unilaterally bus her? It was not evident to me that Jasnah would win (or lose I guess) in the scramble, and esp. as the votes ended 8-10 a single vote [9-9] might've made the save viable. Is it that obvious that all 3 scum teammates would forego this opportunity for nebulous credit that may never emerge?
Sure. Given her lack of posting and her terrible scum strategy of claiming Miller why would those members put their neck on the line to defend her especially when she showed no intent to defend herself that day? And given the amount of people that were foolishly claiming the oracle needed to hang on Jasnah, I think it is reasonably these people did expect credit at some point.
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#3718 Post by kgray » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:37 pm

ghug wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:36 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:38 pm
kgray wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:37 pm


Yes lmao it's been a joke with us for over a year now. It comes up basically every game and Rivera often uses it as part of a basis for his read of me, but I don't think it's at all as consistent of a tell as he thinks/pretends.
Well yeah I get the basis of the joke I just think it's cute that you both compliment the other as being better phrased than yourselves, instead of just pulling a ghug and saying "they're mini-me"
Kgray is specifically teenage ghug. Don't undersell the nuance there.
Self-voting is scummy.
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#3719 Post by rdrivera2005 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:38 pm

kgray wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:37 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:33 pm
Those are reasonable motives, I admit.

Well, you keep keeping an eye out.

@rdrivera/kgray have you noticed you both claim the other puts your thoughts to words better than yourselves?
Yes lmao it's been a joke with us for over a year now. It comes up basically every game and Rivera often uses it as part of a basis for his read of me, but I don't think it's at all as consistent of a tell as he thinks/pretends.
The spokesperson thing is a joke, but I think we usually have a lot of common ground when we are both town and I am not feeling this on this game. I confess I skipped a lot of D1, so it could make this statement less accurate.
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#3720 Post by snowy801 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:38 pm

kgray wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:30 pm
ghug wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:20 pm
kgray wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:30 pm


You said you don't understand my thought process this game (and indicated you were scumreading me for that) but I had almost this exact reaction to rivera's post, shared your skepticism about Bunny's you/bona analysis, and have had similar questions about snowy. It's like you're ignoring all that and only focusing on the fact that I didn't save worcej and it's really frustrating me.
Those are both incredibly easy things to take issue with as scum.
What do you mean, "both"? I'm making one point here. Are you even reading what I'm saying before you make this baseless accusations?
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