M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

I'm just not able to ignore that we have two competing hardclaims of Miller.

One of them has to go.

I strongly believe Bunny is the real Miller, so jasnah is the only person I will vote today at this point.

Might be the simplistic view of it, but i think getting too fancy and letting this drag on til later in the game when we can't afford to sort it out is dangerous. We don't always need to pull off some 10,000 IQ play. This is the logically correct choice.

I disagree with policy voting Jasnah because I think her and Bunny's claims should stand on the merit of their content, not the mechanical gimmick. It is telling that she has not posted, well, near anything before and since the so called hardclaim, but neither will I countenance "well we gotta vote for one of these" arguments until both have made their stand.

If it is revealing that they have not said or done anything in the time since, well they will either correct that or not and we can deal with it then. But this insistence that "one must go" strikes me as continually strange.

You seem to be including me in that "they". Can I grind any of your corn for you? Otherwise, I'm happy to enjoy my hard cider and wait for tomorrow.

You may feel free to do whatever it is you please, so long as you're doing something.

[worcej]

I'm just not able to ignore that we have two competing hardclaims of Miller.

One of them has to go.

I strongly believe Bunny is the real Miller, so jasnah is the only person I will vote today at this point.

Might be the simplistic view of it, but i think getting too fancy and letting this drag on til later in the game when we can't afford to sort it out is dangerous. We don't always need to pull off some 10,000 IQ play. This is the logically correct choice.

This has been my stance since the CC came out...

[BunnyGo]

Anyone actually deciphered Bunny's crumbs?

The crumb from my past was him asking others how the PR should behave.

I mean he stated his first crumb was the first letter of his first 6 sentences (which checked out).

It was rather strange to me that he decided to seed more crumbs, and then decline to reveal what those are (why seed multiple crumbs? Just makes it more likely to be caught) but I imagine he'll reveal it when he sees fit, or not

Because it amuses me. And I'm guessing it's driving damo, Bona, and maybe worcej a little nuts that they can't find them even though I keep posting them.

[snowy801]

Nope, not in the slightest.

As near as I can tell several other players have a very high opinion of them as a gamer. Why do you think this "slip" isn't fakeable?

I dunno what I'm doing and trying to shit post less and try to be more productive in this game. I guess it's plausible to fake this but like why would I do that?

Did chaqa put a target on my back? Do I need more coffee to figure this out?

Do you understand what it is you did that people are calling a slip?

[BesharamSabi]

Why do you think they were voting him in the first place?

What do you think motivated people to vote me before I claimed?

So I think his weird gambit of fake voting tfb which led to votes for himself was odd. People have complained that his erratic behavior has been hard to read. Is it he like thisin every game or is this a one off behavior... I'm trying to see if there's a pattern or not.

fwiw Flum is the trolliest player I know and I don't think the fake voting of tfb is in any way alignment indicative.

OK I'm making a note of that. What else about his behavior so that game that has or has not been the norm?

[kgray]

@Bunny you are voting for jasnah because you feel like your role requires you too?

[BesharamSabi]

As near as I can tell several other players have a very high opinion of them as a gamer. Why do you think this "slip" isn't fakeable?

I dunno what I'm doing and trying to shit post less and try to be more productive in this game. I guess it's plausible to fake this but like why would I do that?

Did chaqa put a target on my back? Do I need more coffee to figure this out?

Do you understand what it is you did that people are calling a slip?

Not really no. Was it due to me saying if the emoji was a scum signal or not?

[kgray]

@Bunny you are voting for jasnah because you feel like your role requires you too?

inb4 damo votes me for being frazzled because of my typo

[kgray]

So I think his weird gambit of fake voting tfb which led to votes for himself was odd. People have complained that his erratic behavior has been hard to read. Is it he like thisin every game or is this a one off behavior... I'm trying to see if there's a pattern or not.

fwiw Flum is the trolliest player I know and I don't think the fake voting of tfb is in any way alignment indicative.

OK I'm making a note of that. What else about his behavior so that game that has or has not been the norm?

I mean I think he usually throws around a bunch more reads/accusations on D1. Tunneling on one person is very unlike him.

Maybe that's enough of a reason to ##vote flum

[snowy801]

I dunno what I'm doing and trying to shit post less and try to be more productive in this game. I guess it's plausible to fake this but like why would I do that?

Did chaqa put a target on my back? Do I need more coffee to figure this out?

Do you understand what it is you did that people are calling a slip?

Not really no. Was it due to me saying if the emoji was a scum signal or not?

Yes, the implication being that as an actual scum member you ought to have known that they would not have had an opportunity to arrange such signals.

Which then rests on the belief that you are new and unable to manufacture such a belief. I figure you ought to know why you're being talked about.

As for Chaqa putting a target about your back, what do you think? Why would he do such a thing, do you imagine?

[worcej]

Thanks I try. It's just odd that everyone on worcej wagon either went to flume (or mistakenly tfb) or ghug. Just very odd. Hmmm

What's odd about it?

That not one person stayed on the worcej wagon and that wagon had 4-5 people on it. For a wagon that large and every single person to jump off is odd to me. I would understand if one person stayed on which is more realistic that way. But everyone at around the same time.... Hmmm again I could be grasping at straws.

This seems like a fake observation from Sabi. It isn't that odd that wagons, especially mine, evaporated. Look at how many wagons have evaporated so far this phase:

1. Bona was a lead wagon, now no votes.
2. TFB was a lead wagon, now only one vote.
3. Chaqa was a lead wagon, now no votes.
4. Bunny was a leaf wagon, now only one vote.
5. I was a secondary wagon, now only one vote.

So why is the fact mine came and went an issue when others haven't been?

[BesharamSabi]

fwiw Flum is the trolliest player I know and I don't think the fake voting of tfb is in any way alignment indicative.

OK I'm making a note of that. What else about his behavior so that game that has or has not been the norm?

I mean I think he usually throws around a bunch more reads/accusations on D1. Tunneling on one person is very unlike him.

Maybe that's enough of a reason to ##vote flum

Ahh I see. Making some more notes about this flum character.

Also interesting that this realization caused you to switch from tfb to flum. Was the tfb wagon not sturdy enough?

[worcej]

I'm just not able to ignore that we have two competing hardclaims of Miller.

One of them has to go.

I strongly believe Bunny is the real Miller, so jasnah is the only person I will vote today at this point.

Might be the simplistic view of it, but i think getting too fancy and letting this drag on til later in the game when we can't afford to sort it out is dangerous. We don't always need to pull off some 10,000 IQ play. This is the logically correct choice.

Oh come on, read her posts this is getting boring.

She hardclaimed miller. She can't back out of that and you can't try to spin it in any way. Her vague quasi-retraction doesn't mean shit to me.

I've begun to observe that no one really respects hard claims anymore.

[rdrivera2005]

@BunnyGo: I have a question for you.

If Jasnah has not clearly retracted, and if we kill Jasnah today, and if the JOAT does not then wish to use the Autopsy on Jasnah and declare the result, would you object to us killing you tomorrow?

Oh, that's a good idea. That lets the Oracle lock onto someone else.

I support this plan.

This is not a good idea. We waste two days killing two players that are likely town.

I am pretty sure Bunny is the Miller. I think fake claiming as town is usually a bad choice (unless you are TomB), but I can't see a reason for scum Jasnah claim that way (the powerwolf theory isn't likely).

This said, I am skipping half of the posts so my reads suck big time at this point.

[BesharamSabi]

Do you understand what it is you did that people are calling a slip?

Not really no. Was it due to me saying if the emoji was a scum signal or not?

Yes, the implication being that as an actual scum member you ought to have known that they would not have had an opportunity to arrange such signals.

Which then rests on the belief that you are new and unable to manufacture such a belief. I figure you ought to know why you're being talked about.

As for Chaqa putting a target about your back, what do you think? Why would he do such a thing, do you imagine?

Ahh I assumed scum had that scum channel thingy I read about in other player role games (tbf I have only read the players roles of like 5 games at random) so I assumed this game batch of scum also had that scum chat. Didn't realize it was only for night time and not day time.

[Chaqa]

For anyone new or newer on claims vs hardclaims

I could claim to be the Miller right now, and later retract it for a number of reasons. This kind of strategy can be effective. In M55, a bunch of people kept claiming Priest (Doctor-ish role) to protect ghug, and I (as mafia) kept shooting them.

However, a hard claim, cannot be retracted.

https://epicmafia.fandom.com/wiki/Claim

[BesharamSabi]

What's odd about it?

That not one person stayed on the worcej wagon and that wagon had 4-5 people on it. For a wagon that large and every single person to jump off is odd to me. I would understand if one person stayed on which is more realistic that way. But everyone at around the same time.... Hmmm again I could be grasping at straws.

This seems like a fake observation from Sabi. It isn't that odd that wagons, especially mine, evaporated. Look at how many wagons have evaporated so far this phase:

1. Bona was a lead wagon, now no votes.
2. TFB was a lead wagon, now only one vote.
3. Chaqa was a lead wagon, now no votes.
4. Bunny was a leaf wagon, now only one vote.
5. I was a secondary wagon, now only one vote.

So why is the fact mine came and went an issue when others haven't been?

All those listed above didn't have a lead of 4-5 people on their wagon. The fact of the matter is as soon as you sent that message suddenly everyone dropped off your wagon which is sus.

Also the Bona wagon was a joke because it's Bona.

[Chaqa]

@BunnyGo: I have a question for you.

If Jasnah has not clearly retracted, and if we kill Jasnah today, and if the JOAT does not then wish to use the Autopsy on Jasnah and declare the result, would you object to us killing you tomorrow?

Oh, that's a good idea. That lets the Oracle lock onto someone else.

I support this plan.

This is not a good idea. We waste two days killing two players that are likely town.

I am pretty sure Bunny is the Miller. I think fake claiming as town is usually a bad choice (unless you are TomB), but I can't see a reason for scum Jasnah claim that way (the powerwolf theory isn't likely).

This said, I am skipping half of the posts so my reads suck big time at this point.

The plan is not to kill them both.

The plan is to kill jasnah, the 90%+ likely fake one, and then let the JOAT autopsy her to find out what she was. Bunny would not die in this case.

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny you are voting for jasnah because you feel like your role requires you too?

It's two-fold:

1) I don't like having teammates make life hard for the team. This game is hard enough.

2) I *do* think Jasnah is capable of this play as scum.

3) I think that resolving this sooner is better than later.

[worcej]

Anyone actually deciphered Bunny's crumbs?

The crumb from my past was him asking others how the PR should behave.

I mean he stated his first crumb was the first letter of his first 6 sentences (which checked out).

It was rather strange to me that he decided to seed more crumbs, and then decline to reveal what those are (why seed multiple crumbs? Just makes it more likely to be caught) but I imagine he'll reveal it when he sees fit, or not

The crumb I am referencing is my own personal observation of how he plays as PR roles. It's very noticeable to me because I was involved in him intentionally crumbing in the past and was able to reflect on his posts with that in mind.

It fits here again - he definitely laid the trails of Miller crumbs throughout this game.