M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Sabi - town but getting replaced apparently(?)

Bona - dislike his reasoning on Chaqa, but I don't really see why his read on Chaqa would change the way it did if he were mafia. town

bozo - really dropping off here, sad

Bunny - miller

Chaqa - SIGH.................................... no idea what to make of him. strong candidate for town power roles to be used to resolve. not voting him

Doom - town

Durga - town

Flum - idk, I wanted to believe town, but have strongly disliked his d2. it probably isn't enough to merit a change in read though.

ghug - town but I find myself glazing over his posts with kgray so caveat that if you suspect him based off that, I didn't read it lol

Jamie - still not meaningfully involved, this is probably a good wagon

kgray - town but I find myself glazing over her posts with ghug so caveat that if you suspect her based off that, I didn't read it lol

lfischl - suspicious on content, but a bad vote for now

rivera - town, he is lacking the needlessly pointed dismissals that define his mafia game

snowy - I see where people are coming from on tone, but I still think he is town. I would like to see more decisive directions and opinions though, because in particular on a reread I think this is BS:

or at least a new take on things, if he genuinely changed his style. but he's always been pretty pointed, and goes after things very early on with strong opinions.

Boat - like bozo, alarming drop-off

Tom - :SnoopDoggWHO?gif:

Vecna - tonally seems off, posting volume is lower and words/post higher than anticipated for town game, but hard to critique actual content. someone to keep in mind on future days

worcej - also dropped off a fair bit



##VOTE Jamiet99uk

Not meaningfully involved????

Fuck you not meaningfully involved!?!?!

I've been one of the most involved players this phase, Fuck You.

I've expressed scumreads on Snowy and Bozo.
I've interacted extensively with Vecna and to a lesser extent with Snowy and Durga and Kgray and Bonatogether.
I've questioned Chaqa regarding Jasnah and Ghug and I've engaged with Ghug's response to that.

Fuck. You. Saying I'm not meaningfully involved.

You cannot be serious if you are reading the game.

Dick.

oh so you’re a real townie? readslist every player

Fuck every player.

Respond to me, you fake fuck.

[BunnyGo]

Those are both incredibly easy things to take issue with as scum.

What do you mean, "both"? I'm making one point here. Are you even reading what I'm saying before you make this baseless accusations?

The rd take and the bunny take.

My take on what?

[Jamiet99uk]

I'll gladiate President Eden here.

I'm 100% more town than him and his attack on me is as fake as a nine dollar bill.

Fuck these outright lies that I've not done anything when I'm one of the most active players and I've contributed a whole load.

Cheap lying shit and I won't buy it.

##Vote President Eden.

I challenge you all to vote him or me.

Go.

[Jamiet99uk]

##end

[Bonatogether]

I'll gladiate President Eden here.

I'm 100% more town than him and his attack on me is as fake as a nine dollar bill.

Fuck these outright lies that I've not done anything when I'm one of the most active players and I've contributed a whole load.

Cheap lying shit and I won't buy it.

##Vote President Eden.

I challenge you all to vote him or me.

Go.

town jamie

[TheFlyingBoat]

I'll gladiate President Eden here.

I'm 100% more town than him and his attack on me is as fake as a nine dollar bill.

Fuck these outright lies that I've not done anything when I'm one of the most active players and I've contributed a whole load.

Cheap lying shit and I won't buy it.

##Vote President Eden.

I challenge you all to vote him or me.

Go.

Wtf lmao?!? Is the mafia equivalent of a trial by combat? Is Jamie Jean de Carrouges now?

[Fluminator]

##vote bozo

[President Eden]

I'll gladiate President Eden here.

I'm 100% more town than him and his attack on me is as fake as a nine dollar bill.

Fuck these outright lies that I've not done anything when I'm one of the most active players and I've contributed a whole load.

Cheap lying shit and I won't buy it.

##Vote President Eden.

I challenge you all to vote him or me.

Go.

town jamie

Gee, I dunno, seems easy to fake..............

[Jamiet99uk]

I'll gladiate President Eden here.

I'm 100% more town than him and his attack on me is as fake as a nine dollar bill.

Fuck these outright lies that I've not done anything when I'm one of the most active players and I've contributed a whole load.

Cheap lying shit and I won't buy it.

##Vote President Eden.

I challenge you all to vote him or me.

Go.

Wtf lmao?!? Is the mafia equivalent of a trial by combat? Is Jamie Jean de Carrouges now?

PE is lying about his read on me
He doesn’t believe his own words.
He is insincere.
He is trying to wagon me because he knows I'm always likely to be scumread by dome people.
It's a scummy strategy.
He's scum.

Believe me. Or believe him. I challenge you to pick one.

[Bonatogether]

##vote bozo

flum is my buddy

[Jamiet99uk]

*some people

[Bonatogether]

A lot to catch up on, and I am sorry in advance if I missed any question asked of me. Please re-ask if I did. Anyways I wanted to post my reads that I have coming into this day based on old stuff and a combination of VCA at the end of Day 1 and frustration with the possibly fake cop claim. Will adjust based on the catch up I do tomorrow while I lounge around and follow my many fantasy teams.

BesharamSabi:

Slight Town. I used to think think they had a slight scum lean for basically posting a lot of stuff, pretending not to be familiar with things in order to avoid giving opinions and reads on things, etc. The possibility of being scum still exists in my mind, but the townslip on not understanding how the quick topic works seems like something they would be unlikely to forge.

Bonatogether

Slight town. I think Bona's contributions have gotten better over time in terms of actually taking strong stances and he does seem to be more actively engaged in discussions and offering opinions that I can sort of follow. I think they're mostly wrong and his reads aren't very good, but in the end I don't think they're bad because he's scummy, I think they're just not good. Either he's town or a god-tier scum player.

bozotheclown

Slight town. While I disliked his early support for no-kill Day 1 I appreciated him eventually coming around and more importantly I very much appreciated his defense of jasnah. Killing 2 towns in consecutive DKs is bad. Standing against it vociferously is good.


BunnyGo

Town all but clear. He is the Miller almost certainly imo.

Chaqa

Heavy scum lean. I explained in my vote and in response to kgray's question about a potential scum slip that his previous justification for strategy just didn't make sense and seemed to lead to decisions that would be pro scum. Lying about his reasons to go after jasnah coupled with the ridiculousness of his oracle/JOAT waste just made me think he was super scummy. Combine that with the fake cop claim and some of PE's great posts on the matter and I think the dude has to be scum.

Doom427

Slight scum. Did not like their defense of no-killing at all, especially given at the very beginning of the game they were pro killing D1. Then their defense of killing jasnah just didn't make sense though only in slightly scummy, not a super scummy way.

Durga

Slight Town. Read the Durga-PE fights on Day 1 as town on town and have continued to read her as town largely since. I think her reads are pretty decent and I liked her defense of jasnah. I don't like the weird switch off of Chaqa when a wagon started building around him. That gave me some scum reads that weren't quite powerful enough to overwhelm my very strong town reads of her previously.

Fluminator

The immense size of Chaqa's balls to claim his cleared townie was a fellow mafia member is so large to be impossible. For that reason I think Flum has to be town. Also the fact the bot testing he was doing actually found a real issue and was motivated by the fact he realized there was an actual issue neutered some of my animosity towards what I perceived as a waste of time and a failure to hunt.

ghug

Slight town. I really like ghug's posts. I feel like there was a lot I learned that helped me process the Day 1 turns from him and that his posts generally helped contribute to town thinking through things in a thoughtful fashion.

Jamiet99uk

Slight scum. Gut read, something seems off, but nothing concrete.

kgray

Slight scum. I really, really do not like the Chaqa->Jasnah vote. I view voters that had never voted for jasnah that then switched onto her right after the PR claim with incredible scrutiny. She did seem to be seriously scum hunting when going after Chaqa but given that she's incredibly smart in general and seems to receive universal acclaim for their skills as scum, I give her great posts less weight than I give others for better or worse.

lfischl

Null. Is the dude even real?

President Eden

Town. See above for part of the read re: Durga-PE fight. Came off incredibly town vs town. Damo's town clear if we believe that Damo is the cop. Strong posts and thoughts, plenty of original contributions that lead me to believe he's town. I don't like the Jas->Cha vote switch at the end but given he had voted for Jasnah right before voting for Chaqa as the wagon caught fire, I don't think of it as bad of a scum tell. I like his position on day-killing and on miller reveal D1. Showed strong pro town play.

rdrivera2005

Null. See lfischl.

snowy801

Neutral. The guy has buddied me a lot which makes me a little worried he is trying to play me for a fool with idle flattery and the such from calling me great and my haters a bag of dicks to saying I was based and pink pilled. That being said I feel like he has posted a lout of well thought out posts, posted original thoughts, and was in favor of keeping discussions on track and away from shitposts.

TheFlyingBoat

Town. Great guy imo. 10/10 would trust

Tom Bombadil

Null. Dude must be lost in the Shire.

Vecna

Slight town. I liked him shooting down some of the dumber Oracle/JOAT suggestion wrt how to handle the jasnah/bunny miller claim. That bought some red with me. Scum seems predisposed to just letting PRs waste their time there. It's odd how much he wanted to protect worcej, but hey everyone has their town reads and he stuck to his so fair enough.

worcej

Slight scum. Didn't like his no kill position, especially disliked his kill both position which he continued to maintain, view him as generally taking anti-town positions, but the conviction and anger he has seems to often come from a town place. I did like his flavius view of Sabi even though I myself no longer quite share it. I don't like his attempt to make discussion of Bunny being the Miller again and again. I thought it was resolved and I think bringing it up generally serves just to distract town.

sabi: ok, sure

me: Which stances are wrong? Specification is good for town cause then it's not just a wishy-washy 'oh i think he's making bad reads' that people can't push back on.

bozo: "Standing against it [dking town 2 days in a row] vociferously is good." Wow, what an idea! I never thought of that. What a thing that scum would never think of! What a total towntell. The rest of your reasoning isn't bad, but it's also not a towntell. Scum aren't solely making scum-benefit arguments - they mix it up. Some make almost entirely arguments that benefit town, and so this doesn't indicate that bozo is town.

bungo: I agree

chaqa: sure

doom: I posit that newbs' arguments will never make much sense, so you have to read them on the basis of tone and how natural their ideas/posting style is/etc. Therefore I call bs on this argument.

durga: this is just the consensus reasoning for people not directly in the argument, not very original

flum: you haven't played with chaqa so this is a bad argument. That's not a way to prove flum's innocence and it's kinda weird, cause I figure you know enough to not make this argument?

ghug: sure

jamie: no real way to come at this, so whatever

kgray: reasonable/understandable

lfischl: nothing else to say

eden: agree, mostly. not sure on the VCA, haven't thought about it

rdr: not the same, at all. rdr has had smart posts. lfischl hasn't done anything

snowy: I feel like this should either be scum or town, and not null. You have decently strong arguments for both, and that shouldn't exactly even out. Null is 'no read'. There is no such thing as 'equally scummy and towny'

boat: you stabbed me just last night ffs

tom the bomb: agree

vecna: Newb reasoning in that last sentence, but I generally agree

worcej: town-ish reasoning, disagree

[Jamiet99uk]

I'll gladiate President Eden here.

I'm 100% more town than him and his attack on me is as fake as a nine dollar bill.

Fuck these outright lies that I've not done anything when I'm one of the most active players and I've contributed a whole load.

Cheap lying shit and I won't buy it.

##Vote President Eden.

I challenge you all to vote him or me.

Go.

town jamie

Gee, I dunno, seems easy to fake..............

I'm calling your shitty bluff. Do you accept my challenge?
You vs me, no other votes?

Fucking bring it.

Birch.

[bozotheclown]

Hmmmm something about Chaqa doesn't feel scummy to me

Yeah, ok, the fact Durga posts this right at the exact same time im doubting it as well during my catch-up is a major feel-good vibe. Durga 2 - PE 1 (im going to hate myself in a very none-hatefull way if theyre both scum).

PE might be scum too

Huh, flum suspects PE. super-duper interesting.

You got caught faking your read progression on ghug homie sorry to say

bro you literally don't believe that

Ok, this is me instructing future doubtfull Vecna to townread Chaqa for the remainder of the game. Chaqa, you have permission to quote this back in my face when I undoubtedly falter in my faith again or whatever.

^ I cant believe I actually almost typed that without disclaimer. im still doubting this whole PE vs Chaqa thing, since PE knows him way better, and im not sure the whole thing I quoted is actually a good reason or if its just messing with my head

Ah yes Chaqa, let's use the oracle to figure out one is a VT and the other is Miller. Fucking brilliant. Not.

God if this were discord I'd be giving this every heart react, the rocket react, the this react, basically any positive react I can possibly find.

TFB was -really- invested into the jasnah thing. Like, I get it, the VT thing is very likely - but how is there not even the slightest worry that it could be a simple scum gambit? Like, this style of posting accounts for no %points of that possiblity whatsoever. Which almost just feels like a....scary take?

Even despite my previous TFB quote I think he's more likely town, but the level of absolution and dedication is very high here.

Can we still not get any consolidation between worcej and Chaqa voters?

This sure came out of nowhere.....checking trajectory as well.

Yikes, bozo's entire iso is just replying to people. He states he thought Jasnah was competent in previous games and thus wouldnt claim miller as scum. Doesnt talk about the retract. Doesnt talk about any reasons for the other wagons just that he prefers worcej over Chaqa at a point that Worcej is much much higher in the votecount.

Cause for suspicion if Seren was scum.

Yes, you heard that right. I think theres a very reasonable chance she was scum. The way how this entire progression happened, its a mix with people that show genuine town concern over Jasnah just doing what she did, and a few people that were trying to dissuade the wagon with way too black and white views.

I had stated that I would vote for worcej or Chaqa over jasnah because I thought they both were more likely scum than jasnah (which I still think is true). I found it suspicious that worcej wanted to DK jasnah and BunnyGo despite immediately believing BunnyGo's claim, and I did not like Chaqa voting for jasnah while seemingly town reading her.

You apparently know jasnah, why do you think it is more likely for her to make a play with a high probability of getting her DKed D1 as mafia than town?

[Bonatogether]

I'll gladiate President Eden here.

I'm 100% more town than him and his attack on me is as fake as a nine dollar bill.

Fuck these outright lies that I've not done anything when I'm one of the most active players and I've contributed a whole load.

Cheap lying shit and I won't buy it.

##Vote President Eden.

I challenge you all to vote him or me.

Go.

town jamie

Gee, I dunno, seems easy to fake..............

You can't say you're going to do this dumb shit >:(

[Jamiet99uk]

God damn autocorrect.

*bitch

[President Eden]

town jamie

Gee, I dunno, seems easy to fake..............

I'm calling your shitty bluff. Do you accept my challenge?
You vs me, no other votes?

Fucking bring it.

Birch.

I'm more of an oak guy myself.

[Jamiet99uk]

I gladiate President Eden.

He is a liar and that should be obvious to anyone paying attention.

Vote me if you think I am scum.
Vote him if you think I am town.

Feel free to endvote.

I'm totally serious.

[Jamiet99uk]

@President Eden do you accept my challenge or are you too weak?

[Durga]

I'll gladiate President Eden here.

I'm 100% more town than him and his attack on me is as fake as a nine dollar bill.

Fuck these outright lies that I've not done anything when I'm one of the most active players and I've contributed a whole load.

Cheap lying shit and I won't buy it.

##Vote President Eden.

I challenge you all to vote him or me.

Go.

town jamie

really? outrage feels fake