M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Fluminator]

Its not about protecting the oracle. Its about giving a useful dead guy/gal/nb pal for the oracle to read

[Chaqa]

Also I don't think we should daykill bozo tomorrow.
We want to give the oracle a useful target and bozo and all our current dead people wouldn't be the most useful. Seeing if they were PRs might be useful (and I guess jasnas could be mafia technically) But we really want to reveal a different scum if we can.

Eh... I like getting rid of caught scum right away more than anything. And we're less likely to lose the Oracle the sooner we deal with scum to keep the # of potential NK targets higher for scum to more likely miss them in the early stages.

What

I second this wat

[worcej]

I think worcej chose to CC me when it looked like he would be the DK because he was confident he could win a CC battle (which so far looks like a safe assumption), or at least force town to kill the real doctor by killing both claimants. If worcej had claimed JOAT, he would just be CCed by the real JOAT at some point, so CCing me was his best option.

Your assessment here is fundamentally wrong because a caught scum would claim doctor first because it's the most harmful PR for the scum team. Your team needs me neutered to help you win.

Your assessment of the scum!worcej claiming doctor vs JOAT is also fundamentally wrong - if I was scum and you are the actual doctor, my team now knows they can just RB you to oblivion going forward so you're not an issue. The best play for a caught scum!worcej would be to take out another PR by getting the CC drug out and down the road so that we can kill that person instead.

By claiming JOAT, I would most likely not die on D2 and would enter into N2 as a semi-cleared state like what Chaqa currently is. If the real JOAT was inexperienced or excited, they might CC me since they caught a scum and then my scum team just got 2 PRs found for the price of one scum.

I am surprised how so many players seem to immediately believe worcej's CC and not take into account how I would have had to manage to claim worcej's role to get him DKed, but I believe that is my fault for being inactive leading up to D2 EOD.

I think of anyone, you're the most surprised that I am actually the doctor here. Your goal was to try to live past D2 and the doctor claim was the best bet to net a miskill of me (because if I wasn't PR I would've died, let's be honest) and then a CC eventually from the real doctor. This would net you the '2 for 1' that would benefit your team over losing you OR result in you being soft-cleared as scum, which would be great because of the no flip.

Unfortunately for you and your team, I'm the actual doctor so you're stuck at a 1:1 trade at best and just losing you at worst.

Also, for those who believe worcej's claim because he of his obnoxious and condescending N2 posts, I assure you that worcej is capable of being obnoxious and condescending as scum.

Again, the important point is that worcej must be eliminated for town to win the game.

Point to when I was obnoxious and condescending as scum. Please, go dig out some random quotes from games I was scum and flipped out like I just did. I doubt you'll find any.

The only time I think you can possibly point at it was the time that Kitsune ran the Firefly game where there were too many PRs with a role that can detect PR or VT, a 3 person scum team, and a 3rd party recruiting faction and I was scum and annoyed at how imbalanced the setup turned out to be.

Because really, my super~obvious~scumtell is when I'm way too nice than normal. Everytime I have been scum, I've been non-confrontational and tread water because I don't want to get daykilled.

[snowy801]

Because really, my super~obvious~scumtell is when I'm way too nice than normal. Everytime I have been scum, I've been non-confrontational and tread water because I don't want to get daykilled.

Just maybe, worcej, these are attitudes you can apply to your town game too.

It might help on average

[snowy801]

Morning Veccy.

Why'd you stay up so fucking late, snowy?

That's earlier than my normal bedtime young one

[worcej]

Eh... I like getting rid of caught scum right away more than anything. And we're less likely to lose the Oracle the sooner we deal with scum to keep the # of potential NK targets higher for scum to more likely miss them in the early stages.

What

I second this wat

I'll explain it this way: The longer we wait to settle bozo, the lower the pool of NK options are for scum, which means they are more likely to hit the oracle when there isn't a 'good option' (using your own opinion) for them to target.

Scum will not NK me, it will auto-confirm bozo is scum. We may miskill on D3 if we don't kill bozo.

By these extensions, if you want to ensure that the Oracle is used on a good target, you should prioritize getting rid of bozo (100% scum) and then we get 'better targets' going forward.

Make sense?

[snowy801]

How the hell are we at almost 300 pages at the beginning of night 2

Because, even though im pretty normal to high activity for Vecna standards (minus the VDL stuff)....and would be top 3 in any normal game for number of posts....im somehow in number 11.

Even you are almost beating me in post-count. its ridiculous

I think it's a function of everyone having fun because no flip games are great and exciting and you're just all in denial for whatever reason

[BunnyGo]

^ that is a good question. Wouldn't mind people answering that.

(I know I did that too but since most people are accepting i'm a town clear at this point I don't want to spoil a potential reason )

You’re clear when chaqa flips cop…

[BunnyGo]

I think it benefits town to not flip Bozo or worcej until we have to or until we have better information. Having both Cop and Doctor alive with the JOAT's doc save in the wings makes a giant WIFOM game for scum we can make use of.

The benefit of flipping one of them would be that the Oracle or JOAT can check out the body, but I'm not sure if the risk of getting it wrong is worth it until we have to (say one day out from LYLO).

I don't like this strategy because it's problematic but it does force the RB to be parked and give the other PRs the ability to do their business.

I agree too. And it means I’ll die sooner!

[worcej]

Because really, my super~obvious~scumtell is when I'm way too nice than normal. Everytime I have been scum, I've been non-confrontational and tread water because I don't want to get daykilled.

Just maybe, worcej, these are attitudes you can apply to your town game too.

It might help on average

I think '2 steps forward, 1.5 step backwards' best summarizes how I carry myself here.

[President Eden]

It makes sense from worcej’s POV and maybe objectively too. bozo is pointedly not the Oracle as is worcej, and the sooner bozo dies, the sooner they kill worcej, and the longer they don’t target a potential Oracle.

It’s also worth noting that resolving an outright, no-BS counterclaim is the best use case yet for the Oracle, which incentivizes killing one claimant ASAP. And it’s probably for the best that we decide on which one we believe and stick with it.

[BunnyGo]

I don't like this strategy because it's problematic but it does force the RB to be parked and give the other PRs the ability to do their business.

Yeah, I understand, if someone was CCing me I would be all over it too, but neither of you made this super easy to sort out since no crumbs.

I've said why I didn't crumb and honestly will probably not try to crumb going forward. It usually gets me caught because my crumbs are too obvious.

Just make less obvious crumbs. I sincerely doubt Bona has found all of mine.

[snowy801]

You have literally never seen not-town Eden in a mafia game in your life.

I have seen not-town Eden plenty of times as imposter make this exact 'I understand that from an outside POV, I look scum, but from my pov, I'm not, so xyz'

interesting observation. can you confirm this chaqa?

I know I like to do this a lot when I'm caught red handed but still don't want to lose so I go full gaslight mode

[President Eden]

How the hell are we at almost 300 pages at the beginning of night 2

Because, even though im pretty normal to high activity for Vecna standards (minus the VDL stuff)....and would be top 3 in any normal game for number of posts....im somehow in number 11.

Even you are almost beating me in post-count. its ridiculous

I think it's a function of everyone having fun because no flip games are great and exciting and you're just all in denial for whatever reason

It’s fucking miserable getting lost in the puzzle and having no meaningful way to check your progress.

[BunnyGo]

I have been standing in line to sign a goddamn paper for a half hour and haven’t made an inch of progress in the line. I have finally well and truly become a lawyer.

I don’t type on a QWERTY keyboard, and have an exam coming with typing necessary. The amount of back and forth I needed to do with people who wanted me to apply for accommodation without forcing them with the Americans with Disabilities Act was terrifying.

[snowy801]

Because, even though im pretty normal to high activity for Vecna standards (minus the VDL stuff)....and would be top 3 in any normal game for number of posts....im somehow in number 11.

Even you are almost beating me in post-count. its ridiculous

I think it's a function of everyone having fun because no flip games are great and exciting and you're just all in denial for whatever reason

It’s fucking miserable getting lost in the puzzle and having no meaningful way to check your progress.

I don't understand you there's tons of meaningful progress already, and will likely well be more

[snowy801]

Ooh my, The Bozo Strikes Back

[President Eden]

I think it's a function of everyone having fun because no flip games are great and exciting and you're just all in denial for whatever reason

It’s fucking miserable getting lost in the puzzle and having no meaningful way to check your progress.

I don't understand you there's tons of meaningful progress already, and will likely well be more

Tell me you already have the answers without telling me you already have the answers

[snowy801]

It’s fucking miserable getting lost in the puzzle and having no meaningful way to check your progress.

I don't understand you there's tons of meaningful progress already, and will likely well be more

Tell me you already have the answers without telling me you already have the answers

Just because you're bad at this game doesn't mean everyone is. Stop spewing your insecurity umbilical cord juice all over me

A lot of people flipped to "hey this is fun" after EoD2, why haven't you?

[President Eden]

I don't understand you there's tons of meaningful progress already, and will likely well be more

Tell me you already have the answers without telling me you already have the answers

Just because you're bad at this game doesn't mean everyone is. Stop spewing your insecurity umbilical cord juice all over me

A lot of people flipped to "hey this is fun" after EoD2, why haven't you?

I don’t see any actual answers as to the next step coming from anybody. Every time I try to do it some asshole comes out from the peanut gallery and dumps on my efforts without actually taking a shot of their own. It’s miserable.