M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

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Re: M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

#11261 Post by BunnyGo » Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:51 pm

kgray wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:09 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:29 pm
kgray wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:59 pm
Bunny I'd like you to explain how Sabi simultaneously thinks Durga is just as clear as you/Chaqa/worcej/TFB and *doesn't* NK you or worcej? You think they're so clever and manipulative that, as scum, their reaction to ghug saying they're his inno was THANK YOU FOR CLEARING ME but not clever enough to NK the people scum reading them?

Come on dude.
Here's my thoughts on what happened in scum chat:

Bozo and Tom before they died:

Town is tearing themselves apart doubting all these claims. Let's leave them to fight and doubt, it's our greatest weapon this game.

Eventually we need to kill town clears, because that doesn't help town.

We also need to kill where worcej can't block us again.


Then they died. So they didn't get to update the details. *worcej* and *chaqa* and *I* specifically were probably fingered in these scum chats as doubtable claims to be left alone.

Now, why TFB wasn't killed, I don't know.

I don't think it's particularly clever or manipulative to say "thank you for clearing me". I think it's a sign what they're thinking about. They were thinking about "being clear" and not thinking about "solving".

Why do you think this is a towny reaction from them?
I just think you've got competing narratives going on. One the one hand, Sabi is too clueless to understand how mechanical clears work. On the other, they're so clever that they can make up a genuine-sounding reaction faked to suggest they believe ghug is actually the cop with a inno on them.

It's nonsense.

If you want to scumread them because they're not solving then I disagree with that for several reasons - it's a pretty lazy accusation when 1) they're new; 2) not everyone puts the same effort into solving; 3) how much solving are Rivera/worcej/you doing? - then I disagree, but whatever. Trying to tie their alignment to Durga's NK doesn't make any sense to me and it makes a million times more sense that someone is setting up new players and/or the "clears" for suspicion.

Also, being concerned about "being clear" isn't scummy. Obviously townies don't want to be scumread. But if you think they're so concerned with being clear, then why didn't scum!Sabi kill off doc!worcej who's been scumreading them all game?
It's not nonsense. You don't like it. And you're actively not listening to my words nor to Sabi's words.

Notice the difference in Sabi's words, my words, and your words.

1) You ascribe cleverness to their response to ghug. Neither Sabi nor I ever did. That's YOUR thought process.

2) You ascribe cluelessness to Sabi's noting Durga was a clear. I actively didn't ascribe cluelessness, rather that they had been taught step 1 of a scum plan. There's a serious difference. In addition, you're DENYING that they believed it. They not only believed it, they EMPHASIZED it after I pointed it out.

3) scum!Sabi cannot kill worcej, without giving Chaqa another scan. I don't know why the scum team gave him one and only one. It's very weird.

4) This is the big one: Why do you townread them? You've yet to answer that besides insulting my thoughts and willfully misrepresenting them. Even if you do townread Sabi, are they so far up your townreads you want them at KiLo above many of the other town leans left?

I honestly don't understand you at this point in the game. And for the first time since day 1, I'm more comfortable with rdr and vecna than you. Please help fix that.
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#11262 Post by kgray » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:02 pm

Vecna wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:32 pm
kgray wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:51 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:23 pm


Vecna is better than this. I think.

How's that for a short summary?
He's better as scum too though
seriously, stop pretending im playing a bad game. Its fucking annoying, and complete nonsense.

The only players that could claim that are the ones in the god QT, with perfect knowledge about the thing that town is (probably) missing this game.
Who said you're playing a bad game? I just meant I don't associate you lurking/being absent with your scum game.
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#11263 Post by ghug » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:03 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:51 pm
kgray wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:09 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:29 pm


Here's my thoughts on what happened in scum chat:

Bozo and Tom before they died:

Town is tearing themselves apart doubting all these claims. Let's leave them to fight and doubt, it's our greatest weapon this game.

Eventually we need to kill town clears, because that doesn't help town.

We also need to kill where worcej can't block us again.


Then they died. So they didn't get to update the details. *worcej* and *chaqa* and *I* specifically were probably fingered in these scum chats as doubtable claims to be left alone.

Now, why TFB wasn't killed, I don't know.

I don't think it's particularly clever or manipulative to say "thank you for clearing me". I think it's a sign what they're thinking about. They were thinking about "being clear" and not thinking about "solving".

Why do you think this is a towny reaction from them?
I just think you've got competing narratives going on. One the one hand, Sabi is too clueless to understand how mechanical clears work. On the other, they're so clever that they can make up a genuine-sounding reaction faked to suggest they believe ghug is actually the cop with a inno on them.

It's nonsense.

If you want to scumread them because they're not solving then I disagree with that for several reasons - it's a pretty lazy accusation when 1) they're new; 2) not everyone puts the same effort into solving; 3) how much solving are Rivera/worcej/you doing? - then I disagree, but whatever. Trying to tie their alignment to Durga's NK doesn't make any sense to me and it makes a million times more sense that someone is setting up new players and/or the "clears" for suspicion.

Also, being concerned about "being clear" isn't scummy. Obviously townies don't want to be scumread. But if you think they're so concerned with being clear, then why didn't scum!Sabi kill off doc!worcej who's been scumreading them all game?
It's not nonsense. You don't like it. And you're actively not listening to my words nor to Sabi's words.

Notice the difference in Sabi's words, my words, and your words.

1) You ascribe cleverness to their response to ghug. Neither Sabi nor I ever did. That's YOUR thought process.

2) You ascribe cluelessness to Sabi's noting Durga was a clear. I actively didn't ascribe cluelessness, rather that they had been taught step 1 of a scum plan. There's a serious difference. In addition, you're DENYING that they believed it. They not only believed it, they EMPHASIZED it after I pointed it out.

3) scum!Sabi cannot kill worcej, without giving Chaqa another scan. I don't know why the scum team gave him one and only one. It's very weird.

4) This is the big one: Why do you townread them? You've yet to answer that besides insulting my thoughts and willfully misrepresenting them. Even if you do townread Sabi, are they so far up your townreads you want them at KiLo above many of the other town leans left?

I honestly don't understand you at this point in the game. And for the first time since day 1, I'm more comfortable with rdr and vecna than you. Please help fix that.
I don't see how you can't ascribe cleverness to their response to me, at least in contrast to the lack of cleverness you're asserting exists in their understanding of Durga's clearness.
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#11264 Post by snowy801 » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:03 pm

ghug wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:26 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:47 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:45 pm
I really don't think it's ghug
On Day 2 he managed to never vote for Bozo or Tom and also ended up on the wagon with them. His little charade last night is something I could see scum!Ghug pulling to gain some towncred.

Who else would kill Flum and Durga while leaving me alive? He knows he can get me paranoia killed eventually.
There's no way in fuck scumghug hasn't been killing clears the whole time. I'm the most risk-averse player there is.
Anyone can say whether this is actually true?
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#11265 Post by snowy801 » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:04 pm

President Eden wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:44 pm
https://i.imgur.com/v6a7DUp.png
:lol:
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#11266 Post by kgray » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:04 pm

Vecna wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:36 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:06 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:17 am
I don't think I've ever felt so out of sync with rdrivera before.

I want you to comment why you think what you do.
I want you to comment why, given that very few people scumread kgray and most people have almost entirely written off Sabi as scum, you do not feel any compulsion to correct town's path to the right destination.

I don´t really understand what you mean with correct town´s path, but if you meant that I should be pushing hard to get them killed I don´t have much to say. I am not good at pushing cases and I don´t have any solid evidence. Bunny have done a lot better job on pushing Sabi then me. I know I won´t last long and just want to point what I am seeing/feeling. The other option is we are wrong on Chaqa or Worcej/Tom and that´s why I want the Oracle on Bozo so we can be 100% sure on something.


I want you to comment how you perceive the worlds where either the scum is extremely comfortable or desperate, who such signs might point to, and how that matches your current assessment of the last scums being Sabi and kgray.

If scum is too confortable there is some scum between the clears, in this case the Kray/Sabi is just wrong and I think we will probably lose unless Oracle saves us. If they are desperate probably Kgray is either GF or is trying to shake things to survive until the end. And it´s working, no one is considering her to a DK.

I want you to comment on why you even need this prompt at all, when previously you were more than willing to provide such commentary unprovoked.

I have been completelly open on my comments, I am mostly a lot of pages behing each time I acess webdip, so I spent most of the time I have catching up and eventually commenting. I have always been this way and I don´t think you are making an honest representation here, which gives me pause as I think you are town.

Do you think we're doing the right thing, killing Vecna? Why or why not? What do you think each kill, starting from bona, might've been intended to achieve? Do you doubt any of our claimants? How do you feel about ghug's fake claim?

I think Ghug tried to gather a NK or reactions, so I don´t read much on his fake claim. I believe on the claims, scum have to be really lucky to guess Jasnah as cop and having two scum to cc the doc with Joat and Oracle alive is such a bad play I don´t see it happening. So, I guess if they were that lucky they will win (this is the confortable option).
Like I said I think it´s Kray and Sabi, but killing Vecna isn´t a bad option as killing me or Ghug aren´t also bad options. My ideal word would have Vecna x Sabi or me/Ghug x Gray as the wagons.

Do you think we were right about Jamiet?
I don´t think Jamiet was scum. I voted him to save your ass and please don´t make me regret this.

What's on your mind?
I think I have already said whas´t on my mind on this post and the other that I made before. At this point I am playing in a lazy/relaxed way just waiting the inevitable.
Hmmmm, -maybe- Rdrivera isnt scum after all.

maybe
What makes you say this? Nothing about what Rivera said seemed that towny to me.
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#11267 Post by BunnyGo » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:06 pm

ghug wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:03 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:51 pm
kgray wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:09 pm


I just think you've got competing narratives going on. One the one hand, Sabi is too clueless to understand how mechanical clears work. On the other, they're so clever that they can make up a genuine-sounding reaction faked to suggest they believe ghug is actually the cop with a inno on them.

It's nonsense.

If you want to scumread them because they're not solving then I disagree with that for several reasons - it's a pretty lazy accusation when 1) they're new; 2) not everyone puts the same effort into solving; 3) how much solving are Rivera/worcej/you doing? - then I disagree, but whatever. Trying to tie their alignment to Durga's NK doesn't make any sense to me and it makes a million times more sense that someone is setting up new players and/or the "clears" for suspicion.

Also, being concerned about "being clear" isn't scummy. Obviously townies don't want to be scumread. But if you think they're so concerned with being clear, then why didn't scum!Sabi kill off doc!worcej who's been scumreading them all game?
It's not nonsense. You don't like it. And you're actively not listening to my words nor to Sabi's words.

Notice the difference in Sabi's words, my words, and your words.

1) You ascribe cleverness to their response to ghug. Neither Sabi nor I ever did. That's YOUR thought process.

2) You ascribe cluelessness to Sabi's noting Durga was a clear. I actively didn't ascribe cluelessness, rather that they had been taught step 1 of a scum plan. There's a serious difference. In addition, you're DENYING that they believed it. They not only believed it, they EMPHASIZED it after I pointed it out.

3) scum!Sabi cannot kill worcej, without giving Chaqa another scan. I don't know why the scum team gave him one and only one. It's very weird.

4) This is the big one: Why do you townread them? You've yet to answer that besides insulting my thoughts and willfully misrepresenting them. Even if you do townread Sabi, are they so far up your townreads you want them at KiLo above many of the other town leans left?

I honestly don't understand you at this point in the game. And for the first time since day 1, I'm more comfortable with rdr and vecna than you. Please help fix that.
I don't see how you can't ascribe cleverness to their response to me, at least in contrast to the lack of cleverness you're asserting exists in their understanding of Durga's clearness.
I suppose it's what you mean by "cleverness". Sabi's play this game has been to glom on to any "pro town!Sabi" statement. I don't think this is necessarily "clever" scum play, but play that tries to promote their towniness as a campaign.

So responding "thank you for clearing me!" seems more habitual to me. Why do you think it is clever? Because you think it requires a sense of observer?
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#11268 Post by ghug » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:08 pm

snowy801 wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:03 pm
ghug wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:26 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:47 pm


On Day 2 he managed to never vote for Bozo or Tom and also ended up on the wagon with them. His little charade last night is something I could see scum!Ghug pulling to gain some towncred.

Who else would kill Flum and Durga while leaving me alive? He knows he can get me paranoia killed eventually.
There's no way in fuck scumghug hasn't been killing clears the whole time. I'm the most risk-averse player there is.
Anyone can say whether this is actually true?
Me!
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#11269 Post by kgray » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:10 pm

Vecna wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:52 pm
BesharamSabi wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:58 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:51 pm


Why do *you* think Vecna is most likely to be on the scum team? You said so far because Durga is dead. Is there something else?
As I said in my analysis, he has been pretty MIA and when he does contribute to stuff he's intoxicated. He doesn't say anything controversial to catch attention and has been pretty much laying low. This reflects his posting style when he was scum in one of his game (1017) that I reread.

I hinted at this a day or two ago.

That's all.
How much controversial have you said yourself?

Also, can you genuinely say that when you reread all my statements ive made throughout the game, they werent controversial?

How many players were townreading Worcej as their strongest read D1/D2? Was that not controversial?

How many players were hard defending Kgray Day2 when almost the entire game was scumreading her?

Who was one of the first people to push on snowy for scum? Who was the first to make a detailed case on Chaqa day1? Get him to cry out and invoke his lord and savior, taco bell?

I could go on for awhile, but apparently a lot of my fellow town players just didnt really feel the need to interpret my posts in a fair way this game.

Im asking you to put in some effort, and actually evaluate your impression here.

Also, you should probably read up on my town games to see if I get intoxicated. I dont think thats really an alignment indicative thing.
I don't know I don't really think it's Vecna. That dive he did into the bot for whatever it was about Chaqa and dogs doesn't feel like something scum would bother faking.
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#11270 Post by snowy801 » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:10 pm

ghug wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:08 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:03 pm
ghug wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:26 pm


There's no way in fuck scumghug hasn't been killing clears the whole time. I'm the most risk-averse player there is.
Anyone can say whether this is actually true?
Me!
Oh I guess it must be true then thanks
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#11271 Post by kgray » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:12 pm

Vecna wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:01 pm
BesharamSabi wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:03 pm
Vecna wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:01 pm


Ok, but.....



Why me?
You have been sus. The fact bunny, worcej, snowy, rdr, etc refuse to see it is just laughable at this point.
listen, theres a reason im trying to communicate with you and trying to make you see the error of your ways, instead of just trying to kill you to get you out of the way.

I believe you believe what youre saying, but your conclusion is wrong.

Even if your opinion is that ive only been saying safe things, my votes and reads have been only pro-town in what we know so far.

I might be waffling badly, currently, but to be fair, so is everyone.
Okay I believe this too. Scum!Vecna simply isn't worried about what Sabi thinks of his alignment.
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#11272 Post by kgray » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:12 pm

President Eden wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:06 pm
I wonder why Tom decided to townread me for digging into jasnah
Probably because she's just town and scum still want us distracted with her.
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#11273 Post by ghug » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:13 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:06 pm
ghug wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:03 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:51 pm


It's not nonsense. You don't like it. And you're actively not listening to my words nor to Sabi's words.

Notice the difference in Sabi's words, my words, and your words.

1) You ascribe cleverness to their response to ghug. Neither Sabi nor I ever did. That's YOUR thought process.

2) You ascribe cluelessness to Sabi's noting Durga was a clear. I actively didn't ascribe cluelessness, rather that they had been taught step 1 of a scum plan. There's a serious difference. In addition, you're DENYING that they believed it. They not only believed it, they EMPHASIZED it after I pointed it out.

3) scum!Sabi cannot kill worcej, without giving Chaqa another scan. I don't know why the scum team gave him one and only one. It's very weird.

4) This is the big one: Why do you townread them? You've yet to answer that besides insulting my thoughts and willfully misrepresenting them. Even if you do townread Sabi, are they so far up your townreads you want them at KiLo above many of the other town leans left?

I honestly don't understand you at this point in the game. And for the first time since day 1, I'm more comfortable with rdr and vecna than you. Please help fix that.
I don't see how you can't ascribe cleverness to their response to me, at least in contrast to the lack of cleverness you're asserting exists in their understanding of Durga's clearness.
I suppose it's what you mean by "cleverness". Sabi's play this game has been to glom on to any "pro town!Sabi" statement. I don't think this is necessarily "clever" scum play, but play that tries to promote their towniness as a campaign.

So responding "thank you for clearing me!" seems more habitual to me. Why do you think it is clever? Because you think it requires a sense of observer?
Scum Sabi immediately knows I'm lying, since it was the day 0 scan. Maybe they're the godfather and don't know I can't scan them day 0, in which case they might think I'm scum CCing their teammate. In either case, I think to give the reaction they gave, they have to avoid the initial "oh shit, this is weird, what's going on?" reaction and put themselves in the shoes of a townie who's excited to have finally been cleared. I don't think a player who can't understand who's clear and who isn't is that good at putting themselves in the shoes of a townie on their feet like that. If you want to claim they're scum because they're clueless, I think there's a flaw there's.
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#11274 Post by kgray » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:15 pm

Vecna wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:46 pm
Btw, I know I havent been too involved, and ive missed large swaths of game.....but has Kgray done much of anything to solve this shit in the last week?
Rude and also yes.

And also I'm going to be traveling from tomorrow evening through Monday and then will have a very busy workweek.
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#11275 Post by kgray » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:17 pm

Vecna wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:12 pm
Kgray, who do we kill here?
Yeah I still think ##vote Rivera

Also fine with snowy, probably, but I don't really know at this point.
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#11276 Post by ghug » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:17 pm

kgray wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:15 pm
Vecna wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 6:46 pm
Btw, I know I havent been too involved, and ive missed large swaths of game.....but has Kgray done much of anything to solve this shit in the last week?
Rude and also yes.

And also I'm going to be traveling from tomorrow evening through Monday and then will have a very busy workweek.
Work is for nerds.
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#11277 Post by Chaqa » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:18 pm

We aren't voting out Vecna or Sabi today.

People voting for those two, find a different wagon
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#11278 Post by Chaqa » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:19 pm

##CallGM: the bot doesn't recognize Sabi as a valid vote.

Do I have permission to add Sabi as a nickname for... Sabi? lol

Or Dargo can do it
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#11279 Post by ghug » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:19 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:18 pm
We aren't voting out Vecna or Sabi today.

People voting for those two, find a different wagon
I agree with this, but I also enjoy that Chaqa has been outed PR the whole game and still has no power to tell us what to do.
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#11280 Post by Chaqa » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:21 pm

ghug wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:19 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:18 pm
We aren't voting out Vecna or Sabi today.

People voting for those two, find a different wagon
I agree with this, but I also enjoy that Chaqa has been outed PR the whole game and still has no power to tell us what to do.
I caught Tom and I called our Bozo basically the same time Bona did.

What have you done for town all game besides be a distraction?
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