M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

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Re: M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

#9981 Post by Tom Bombadil » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:57 am

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:56 am
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:54 am
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:51 am


I agree this is ridiculous. But what you think of scum claiming a guilt on you with an Oracle still alive?
It sorta makes sense if they thought a cop might still be alive. Plus, Chaqa can’t live forever without being suspicious. It 1) would cause a cop cc if there was one 2) guarantees a miskill 3) uses an Oracle on a townie - which kinda wastes it. Sure it condemns Chaqa but see point 1
Agree, but why a)there isn't a CC? b)Choose you, a really likely miskill?
I think jasnah was the cop.

I have no idea on point 2
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#9982 Post by ghug » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:57 am

President Eden wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:59 pm
And I guess while I'm still rambling about it, Chaqa scanning Tom made perfect sense to me, I just wanted to hear his rationale first. It checks out. I would probably also not put a lot of thought into it expecting an rb, and would pick in the POE pool because that's definitely useful - we have more people in the pool than kills. I didn't want to just give a story he could copy if he were faking, but it's pretty legit. The only reason to be suspicious of his claim is the weird night actions, but it's not that crazy for mafia to just make a mistake.
Wait what was his explanation?
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Re: M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

#9983 Post by ghug » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:58 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
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Chaqa wrote:
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I mean I'm not exactly trying to find a girlfriend right now, the one I have would probably get upset.
You are finding a girlfriend for your girlfriend.
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#9984 Post by BesharamSabi » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:58 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
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What if Flum was the oracle?
Alright what if the scum team thought flum was the oracle hence why they unalived him?
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#9985 Post by ghug » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:58 am

ghug wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:58 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:00 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:57 pm
I mean I'm not exactly trying to find a girlfriend right now, the one I have would probably get upset.
You are finding a girlfriend for your girlfriend.
Welcome to my life
Wait that came out wrong.
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#9986 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:58 am

Tom Bombadil wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:57 am
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:56 am
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:54 am


It sorta makes sense if they thought a cop might still be alive. Plus, Chaqa can’t live forever without being suspicious. It 1) would cause a cop cc if there was one 2) guarantees a miskill 3) uses an Oracle on a townie - which kinda wastes it. Sure it condemns Chaqa but see point 1
Agree, but why a)there isn't a CC? b)Choose you, a really likely miskill?
I think jasnah was the cop.

I have no idea on point 2
Did she soft it at all?
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#9987 Post by BunnyGo » Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:59 am

BesharamSabi wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:58 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:55 pm
What if Flum was the oracle?
Alright what if the scum team thought flum was the oracle hence why they unalived him?
They knew that Flum was VT. Otherwise he'd not have believed Chaqa at all (and if Chaq is cop, they know that Flum was VT).
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#9988 Post by BesharamSabi » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:01 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:59 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:58 am
BesharamSabi wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:55 pm
What if Flum was the oracle?
Alright what if the scum team thought flum was the oracle hence why they unalived him?
They knew that Flum was VT. Otherwise he'd not have believed Chaqa at all (and if Chaq is cop, they know that Flum was VT).
Ahh OK that clears things up in my mind. I will just go back to rereading old games while watching tonight's horror movie: Eli (2019).
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#9989 Post by Tom Bombadil » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:05 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:58 am
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:57 am
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:56 am


Agree, but why a)there isn't a CC? b)Choose you, a really likely miskill?
I think jasnah was the cop.

I have no idea on point 2
Did she soft it at all?
Not really. The post that gives me pause is right after you cc’d Miller.

“ TBH it would have been useful to town that I become clear, subsequently everyone can vote the mafia I'm on and we easily win.

If Bunnygo is a town, he played really bad here, because town is guaranteed to win once it's accepted that I'm conf PR, doesn't matter what role DemonRHK wants to think I am”
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#9990 Post by President Eden » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:07 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:43 am
President Eden wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:31 am
President Eden wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:51 pm
TLDR Flum had interesting reads at least partly vindicated by today's results











A sampling of Fluminator's most direct reads posts. Mercifully, unlike many people in here... [scratches head and glances at the ground]... Flum's reads were consistent and clearly and concisely stated, so you can easily check my work.

It's a bit WIFOM to read too much into why mafia nightkills someone for reads-based reasons, but on balance I think they're more likely to kill people who are right rather than kill people who are wrong to make a meta-narrative play. That said, given Chaqa's scan, he was at least right about Tom. I kinda suspect he was right about more. Killing him is a bit weird from a mechanics standpoint, but if Jamie or jasnah were mafia and Fluminator had the rest of the team in his (much narrower than most) POE pool as a nigh-confirmed town, that would be enough reason to prioritize killing him - and presumably the mafia simply valued ensuring the kill worked over preventing a scan (strange and probably wrong play, but mafia are allowed to misplay...).

Mostly this makes me think Jamie was right, with a side of Vecna being sus but not putting a lot of weight on it just from Flum's views. (You could also interpret it to mean kgray is sus, I just think kgray is town.)
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I see you Eden. We should listen to the dead.

Counter theory:

You (eden) are scum. And hope chaqa would scan you. Then you’d get a godfather clear. Or can keep pushing this BS theory that chaqa isnt the cop.
Why do you even post things you don’t believe :lol:
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#9991 Post by President Eden » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:09 am

ghug wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:57 am
President Eden wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:55 pm
Obviously if there's a cc there's a cc, but short of one I'm pretty comfortable putting the Chaqa controversy to rest. I think they just fucked up with the roleblock assignment or else were that scared of Fluminator. But killing Flum ahead of PRs isn't actually that ludicrous if he's just right about everything.
I feel like I want more awkward contrition from Eden when making this turnaround. Feels off.
He literally lied to me for sympathy and tried to gaslight me and kgray earlier today. No I’m not fucking sorry. For all his whining about ego he sure likes to play the game like he’s soloing
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#9992 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:10 am

kgray wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:51 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:48 am
Doom427 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:37 am


So, you were posting that because you were worried I thought you would be scum, so to say you're not scum you're posting to say you're totally not scum, and will totally be night killed.

Ok, so you see how I might think you're scum if you're not night killed, right? You could be godfather, very easily, and lying? So Scum team aren't going to kill you. Because either you're telling the truth, but I can't know that. Or you're lying, and their team mate. Either way, they win by keeping the ambiguity alive?
I don't think you think I'm scum, cause you put me as townclear lmao

That goes for any person marked townclear who isn't dead by lylo.

I'm not sure how me being godfather comes into this, since I haven't been scanned. On assumption I'm scum, I could be either goon or godfather.

You don't need to be 100% confident in order to have a working understanding of the game. If we waited for 100% confidence on anything, town would be paralyzed, because we have no universal mechanical pieces of information. All we have is what people said, how people voted, and what people's metas are. If we want to keep up every .1% chance, then we're losing sight of the simple and obvious move here - kill in PoE until d9, kill chaqa, then start killing up the towny list.
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#9993 Post by Doom427 » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:10 am

I honestly would believe the real Cop isn't CCing because they have a vendetta against Tom than that Jasnah is cop
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#9994 Post by Chaqa » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:10 am

President Eden wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:09 am
ghug wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:57 am
President Eden wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:55 pm
Obviously if there's a cc there's a cc, but short of one I'm pretty comfortable putting the Chaqa controversy to rest. I think they just fucked up with the roleblock assignment or else were that scared of Fluminator. But killing Flum ahead of PRs isn't actually that ludicrous if he's just right about everything.
I feel like I want more awkward contrition from Eden when making this turnaround. Feels off.
He literally lied to me for sympathy and tried to gaslight me and kgray earlier today. No I’m not fucking sorry. For all his whining about ego he sure likes to play the game like he’s soloing
From your perspective the Jedi are evil
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#9995 Post by President Eden » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:11 am

ghug wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:57 am
President Eden wrote:
Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:59 pm
And I guess while I'm still rambling about it, Chaqa scanning Tom made perfect sense to me, I just wanted to hear his rationale first. It checks out. I would probably also not put a lot of thought into it expecting an rb, and would pick in the POE pool because that's definitely useful - we have more people in the pool than kills. I didn't want to just give a story he could copy if he were faking, but it's pretty legit. The only reason to be suspicious of his claim is the weird night actions, but it's not that crazy for mafia to just make a mistake.
Wait what was his explanation?
I kinda summed it in there, he picked Tom cuz Tom was in the POE pool, and there’s not much thought process to it because he was sure he would be roleblocked. I’m not sure who my pick would be exactly, but it would be in the POE pool, and I also wouldn’t go deep on it because I figure I’d be roleblocked anyway
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#9996 Post by President Eden » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:11 am

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:10 am
President Eden wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:09 am
ghug wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:57 am


I feel like I want more awkward contrition from Eden when making this turnaround. Feels off.
He literally lied to me for sympathy and tried to gaslight me and kgray earlier today. No I’m not fucking sorry. For all his whining about ego he sure likes to play the game like he’s soloing
From your perspective the Jedi are evil
Actually…
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#9997 Post by kgray » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:11 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:10 am
kgray wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:51 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:48 am


I don't think you think I'm scum, cause you put me as townclear lmao

That goes for any person marked townclear who isn't dead by lylo.

I'm not sure how me being godfather comes into this, since I haven't been scanned. On assumption I'm scum, I could be either goon or godfather.

You don't need to be 100% confident in order to have a working understanding of the game. If we waited for 100% confidence on anything, town would be paralyzed, because we have no universal mechanical pieces of information. All we have is what people said, how people voted, and what people's metas are. If we want to keep up every .1% chance, then we're losing sight of the simple and obvious move here - kill in PoE until d9, kill chaqa, then start killing up the towny list.
Wat
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Thoughts on boat man?
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#9998 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:12 am

kgray wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:11 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:10 am
kgray wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:51 am


Wat
what?
Thoughts on boat man?
where does this come from?
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#9999 Post by kgray » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:12 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:12 am
kgray wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:11 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:10 am


what?
Thoughts on boat man?
where does this come from?
You said you weren't scanned :lol:
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#10000 Post by DemonRHK » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:12 am

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This is a shameless attempt to snipe post 10000.

That is all.
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