M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

this is a town reaction, right?

Think so

bona's been weird all game, but never pinged me as bad weird (except like way early I guess but it was way early)

If anything he's been too normal.

What does this even mean?

[bozotheclown]

I don’t think it would be against the rules of the game for me to provide a screenshot of my discord? Let me check that

No point, it would be trivial to remake it, and by necessity it could just be a screenshot from an earlier time, or edited to look like one.

I kind of doubt you'd actually go to the effort of faking a screenshot, but you could, and I also think this is borderline so I'd rather not make reading you about something like that.

I acknowledge it's a silly thing to press anyway, it just caught my attention.

Chaqa saying he was ready for a claim 6 hours before EOD is less towny than he thinks. What cop plans to claim? What was he going to do if someone else had claimed cop?

The cop should only claim when absolutely necessary with a factional RB. The timing of Chaqa's claim suggests he cared more about not getting DKed than getting scans in.

[bozotheclown]

M1012:

##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN

Bozo is just skimming the surface this game, dipping in a few times during the phase and reacting to or questioning things which he saw on the current page when he logged in.

He's making no effort to read the whole game even though the amount of activity is very low. For example he didn't post between pages 4 and 7. When he re-appeared on page 7, he only questioned or reacted to things posted on that page, nothing from pages 5 or 6 including a direct question which I asked him, that he ignored or did not notice.

As well as just apparently skimming the surface, there's no sign of Bozo's usual desire to investigate the mechanics of the game and use them to try to sort people.

Very unlike his usual self. He has been town the last few times I've played with him but something is different here.

This is going back further, but the 4 (previous) games I have reference are the last 4 games I have played where Jamie was mafia.

Do you have a spreadsheet somewhere with all historical game data? This is very impressive.

I was just using the bot. There is a reference on there (Updated Mafia Scoresheet) but it has not been updated for a while.

[BunnyGo]

With the idea that the mafia might not want to scum read too many town players, I counted the number of different players everyone have voted for up to this point:

BesharamSabi: 4
Bonatogether: 6
bozo: 5
BunnyGo: 7
Chaqa: 9
damo: 7
Doom: 4
Durga: 9
Fluminator: 6
ghug: 11
Jamie: 7
jasnah: 3
kgray: 9
lfischl: 3
PE: 11
rdrivera: 2
snowy: 8
TFB: 8
Tom: 3
Vecna: 5
worcej: 3

I am interested to see how well this statistic correlates to the mafia.

Is there a good way to control for activity here? This is actually a potentially interesting analysis if we can do it in a proper way. Part of me doubts it because i feel like while mafia may be reticent to target too many town players, some town players may have a proclivity to stick to their guns when they think they have someone nailed which reduces the number of switches they may have.

I am not sure I know what you are asking, but I do not know of a way to update this without manually checking the bot.

He wants to add a second column with number of posts. To try and differentiate between low activity people and high activity/low voter people.

[bozotheclown]

With the idea that the mafia might not want to scum read too many town players, I counted the number of different players everyone have voted for up to this point:

BesharamSabi: 4
Bonatogether: 6
bozo: 5
BunnyGo: 7
Chaqa: 9
damo: 7
Doom: 4
Durga: 9
Fluminator: 6
ghug: 11
Jamie: 7
jasnah: 3
kgray: 9
lfischl: 3
PE: 11
rdrivera: 2
snowy: 8
TFB: 8
Tom: 3
Vecna: 5
worcej: 3

I am interested to see how well this statistic correlates to the mafia.

Your hypothesis is that lower numbers will correlate to higher likelihood of scum?

yes

[Bonatogether]

I don't know, why does he?

Jamie is a very stupid person. To prove that scumreading you for stupid reasons is scummy, you have to show his behavior as town, not just his behavior as scum.

I have gone back to the last 4 games where he was scum that I was in, and he scum read me early in every game. Obviously when he is scum his reasons are going to be fabricated, but I think this is an obvious pattern.

That is a partial explanation of 1 person who's not even on your wagon. This is a total crap argument

[bozotheclown]

Think so

bona's been weird all game, but never pinged me as bad weird (except like way early I guess but it was way early)

If anything he's been too normal.

What does this even mean?

I think it is a 42 Eternal reference.

[bozotheclown]

Jamie is a very stupid person. To prove that scumreading you for stupid reasons is scummy, you have to show his behavior as town, not just his behavior as scum.

I have gone back to the last 4 games where he was scum that I was in, and he scum read me early in every game. Obviously when he is scum his reasons are going to be fabricated, but I think this is an obvious pattern.

That is a partial explanation of 1 person who's not even on your wagon. This is a total crap argument

What do you think I am arguing?

[bozotheclown]

Is there a good way to control for activity here? This is actually a potentially interesting analysis if we can do it in a proper way. Part of me doubts it because i feel like while mafia may be reticent to target too many town players, some town players may have a proclivity to stick to their guns when they think they have someone nailed which reduces the number of switches they may have.

I am not sure I know what you are asking, but I do not know of a way to update this without manually checking the bot.

He wants to add a second column with number of posts. To try and differentiate between low activity people and high activity/low voter people.

Here is the current information.

1 452 8007 40602 17.71 ghug 03:06
2 405 12876 66039 31.79 kgray 06:46
3 394 13247 68038 33.62 snowy801 05:39
4 311 6863 33897 22.07 Durga 06:40
5 308 18007 95522 58.46 President Eden 04:01
6 297 7618 39771 25.65 Jamiet99uk 10:32
7 278 8378 42171 30.14 Chaqa 05:56
8 257 7425 38642 28.89 Bonatogether 00:06
9 249 7460 37834 29.96 BunnyGo 00:07
10 205 8681 47384 42.35 Vecna 11:57
11 192 3694 18619 19.24 BesharamSabi 1d 22h 7m
12 166 3652 18243 22.00 Fluminator 05:40
13 141 2502 13186 17.74 damo666 1d 12h 55m
14 140 8062 41772 57.59 TheFlyingBoat 02:44
15 137 6210 32570 45.33 worcej 10:35
16 114 3429 17503 30.08 bozotheclown 00:02
17 69 5815 29350 84.28 Doom427 09:30
18 51 2001 9766 39.24 rdrivera2005 01:12
19 45 490 2450 10.89 lfischl 08:36
20 28 1113 5664 39.75 Tom Bombadil 11:14
21 20 2922 16753 146.10 DemonRHK 09:25
22 8 357 1821 44.63 jasnah 3d 13h 14m

[bozotheclown]

Jamie is a very stupid person. To prove that scumreading you for stupid reasons is scummy, you have to show his behavior as town, not just his behavior as scum.

I have gone back to the last 4 games where he was scum that I was in, and he scum read me early in every game. Obviously when he is scum his reasons are going to be fabricated, but I think this is an obvious pattern.

That is a partial explanation of 1 person who's not even on your wagon. This is a total crap argument

Could you explain why you are voting for me again? It it only the scum reads thing?

[Tom Bombadil]

I apologize in advance for doing the thing I hate where I post as I catch up. But I'm going to do it anyway.

Bonatogether comes across very towny to me at EOD1 - wanting to not kill jasnah until she says more seems like a very towny mindset.

If Bona is scum and Jasnah is town, bona would probably not see the need to defend jasnah here.

If Bona is scum and Jasnah is scum, I don't think Bona would pick this line of defense as it forces jasnah to come up with a good explanation of her play as scum which would be tough. It could incriminate scum jasnah more and thus make Bona look worse.

Regardless of jasnah's alignment, I think Bona is likely town

[Tom Bombadil]

kgary and ghug being open to flashing jamie seems very odd to me.

[Bonatogether]

im happy

i made a wagon go brrr

this is a town reaction, right?

I’m starting to think so…maybe.

@bona I thought you were an Aussie. Are you in the US?

My location says Maryland, lol. Bob and Macca are Aussie, though

[Bonatogether]

You should vote kgray with me

I think you are wrong about kgray, you should vote for Jamie with me.

I think you’re wrong about Jamie. You should vote bona with me.

You have no case lmao

[Bonatogether]

If anything he's been too normal.

What does this even mean?

I think it is a 42 Eternal reference.

I don't know what that is, but ty

[BunnyGo]

I think you are wrong about kgray, you should vote for Jamie with me.

I think you’re wrong about Jamie. You should vote bona with me.

You have no case lmao

Yeah, but your case isn't good either.

How about rdr? Care to do a dive on him with me?

[Bonatogether]

I have gone back to the last 4 games where he was scum that I was in, and he scum read me early in every game. Obviously when he is scum his reasons are going to be fabricated, but I think this is an obvious pattern.

That is a partial explanation of 1 person who's not even on your wagon. This is a total crap argument

What do you think I am arguing?

In that sequence, you were talking about how scum jamie behaves with regards to you, which you cite as a pattern if voting. This is not very useful because Jamie is not voting you, and you hadn't looked at his town games then, but now you have.

[Tom Bombadil]

TFB seems towny pretty much every time they speak.

[Tom Bombadil]

wrong again.

Oh look at you mr lurking EoD

Do you know what a job is? EOD is @ 3:00 PM for me. I have meetings where I cannot be around explicitly play exactly how you want. I was watching via my cell under the table so that my damn boss didn't get pissed at me

Honestly - I hope scum do us a favor and kill you tonight. You're grinding my gears with your play style right now.

Also - well done all you 'super smart scum hunting people' who wanted to play the game instead of let mechanics drive the game - you forced the cop to claim. Top-notch scum hunting by the likes of you incredibly 'skilled' players this time around. For all the negativity that gets talked about our ability to scum hunt, you all contribute to that bad opinion with your egotistical methodologies.

Can you 'skilled players' take a moment to reflect on your absolutely horrible play and check your egos at the door this next phase?

Rant over. Time to go finish work so that I can gtfh.

wtf is this post right after EOD?

[kgray]

Maybe I'll go reread the EoD tomorrow, but that was my feeling at the time, and yeah, you can't be trusted to be objective there.

YOU SAID YOU'D KILL JAMIE WITH ME

And I would have too, but it irked me.

No, you don’t get to scumread me for doing something you also did.