M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

It's less likely that we hit a PR D1 than it is that scum kill a PR N1, so we might as well take the shot at hitting scum imo

[Durga]

All I know is I'm saving snowy tonight

[kgray]

All I know is I'm saving snowy tonight

I think snowy is saving us all

[President Eden]

For all that I heard this a dozen times before it's still somewhat shocking to hear this. You guys have been playing mafia for how many years, and you don't trust yourselves to find 4 scum in what... at least 7 chances + however more we get correct?

This is within our capacity. Trust in your reads, and PRs will supplement our knowledge not be its entire.

You and Durga have both represented the position as "we will not ever vote to kill until PRs come out with info" when the position is plainly "the risk on day 1 is not worth the reward in a no-flip environment." It would be appreciated if you both would cease misrepresenting the argument. Thanks.

Worcej literally said we should no kill for at least three days.

I am responding to what I figured were comments on my position, judging from the quotes.

And I guess if I'm being more precise, there are cases where it would be worth taking a shot on day 1. A day 1 kill can't categorically be deemed not worth it. But I do strongly believe that no flip changes the day 1 calculus from "take your best shot, but 100% take a shot" to "take a shot if it's good, but hold if it's not."

[ghug]

You and Durga have both represented the position as "we will not ever vote to kill until PRs come out with info" when the position is plainly "the risk on day 1 is not worth the reward in a no-flip environment." It would be appreciated if you both would cease misrepresenting the argument. Thanks.

Worcej literally said we should no kill for at least three days.

I am responding to what I figured were comments on my position, judging from the quotes.

And I guess if I'm being more precise, there are cases where it would be worth taking a shot on day 1. A day 1 kill can't categorically be deemed not worth it. But I do strongly believe that no flip changes the day 1 calculus from "take your best shot, but 100% take a shot" to "take a shot if it's good, but hold if it's not."

Random kills are better than scum-directed kills.

[worcej]

You dragged it up! You weren't told to stop scumreading me, you were told to stop being a dick. I don't understand why some people on this site think those are the same thing.

Also - stop telling me what to do.

Also, dick comment brought up: I was only labeled that because I kept pushing my case on you to get you to crack. You know, the whole point of this game.

I’ll respectfully be a dick to everyone in this game at all times. lol

I just think it's ridiculous that you're excusing your rudeness and abrasiveness by saying it's for reads but glossing over the fact that your method of being a dick to me lead you to the exact incorrect conclusion about my alignment. It's almost like it's not a helpful tool and you should just not do it.

Not really excusing being rude to you, I 100% did it intentionally at the time to try to get a rise from you (which I did) and then I waffled on my read at the figurative 'last second' because everyone was totally chill with flipping me.

Again, thank you for your constructive criticism on how I play the game. If you want mine, it's once again to please stop interjecting on my questions directed at other players. At this point ghug hasn't really replied to my question that started this and you dominated the conversation, which hasn't helped me figure ghug out in any way.

[kgray]

You and Durga have both represented the position as "we will not ever vote to kill until PRs come out with info" when the position is plainly "the risk on day 1 is not worth the reward in a no-flip environment." It would be appreciated if you both would cease misrepresenting the argument. Thanks.

Worcej literally said we should no kill for at least three days.

I am responding to what I figured were comments on my position, judging from the quotes.

And I guess if I'm being more precise, there are cases where it would be worth taking a shot on day 1. A day 1 kill can't categorically be deemed not worth it. But I do strongly believe that no flip changes the day 1 calculus from "take your best shot, but 100% take a shot" to "take a shot if it's good, but hold if it's not."

Oh - well luckily for those of us who want a D1 kill, the collective egos in this group allow us to always believe it's a good shot.

[worcej]

You and Durga have both represented the position as "we will not ever vote to kill until PRs come out with info" when the position is plainly "the risk on day 1 is not worth the reward in a no-flip environment." It would be appreciated if you both would cease misrepresenting the argument. Thanks.

Worcej literally said we should no kill for at least three days.

I am responding to what I figured were comments on my position, judging from the quotes.

And I guess if I'm being more precise, there are cases where it would be worth taking a shot on day 1. A day 1 kill can't categorically be deemed not worth it. But I do strongly believe that no flip changes the day 1 calculus from "take your best shot, but 100% take a shot" to "take a shot if it's good, but hold if it's not."

What constitutes the "take a shot if it's good, but hold if it's not" on D1?

[snowy801]

Also my biggest argument for D1 kill is that no kill is boring.

It killed my soul, no killing D3 on M69 and I'm not keen on playing a game like that for at least like 5 days when there aren't even flips to validate my obvious supremacy in all things.

And in the end, isn't a game meant to be fun? It's not like we're playing against wincon, which would be the only real argument to repress 'fun' in a game environment afaic.

So all things considered, I recognize your arguments and that it isn't without merit, I just think we absolutely kill D1 and all subsequent days.

[worcej]

Worcej literally said we should no kill for at least three days.

I am responding to what I figured were comments on my position, judging from the quotes.

And I guess if I'm being more precise, there are cases where it would be worth taking a shot on day 1. A day 1 kill can't categorically be deemed not worth it. But I do strongly believe that no flip changes the day 1 calculus from "take your best shot, but 100% take a shot" to "take a shot if it's good, but hold if it's not."

Random kills are better than scum-directed kills.

Explain this more please. Let's say you kill me D1, what do you get out of it?

Exclude the obvious 'no more worcej to annoy me' type responses if you would please.

[Durga]

Also my biggest argument for D1 kill is that no kill is boring.

It killed my soul, no killing D3 on M69 and I'm not keen on playing a game like that for at least like 5 days when there aren't even flips to validate my obvious supremacy in all things.

And in the end, isn't a game meant to be fun? It's not like we're playing against wincon, which would be the only real argument to repress 'fun' in a game environment afaic.

So all things considered, I recognize your arguments and that it isn't without merit, I just think we absolutely kill D1 and all subsequent days.

Stop parroting me already

[worcej]

Also my biggest argument for D1 kill is that no kill is boring.

It killed my soul, no killing D3 on M69 and I'm not keen on playing a game like that for at least like 5 days when there aren't even flips to validate my obvious supremacy in all things.

And in the end, isn't a game meant to be fun? It's not like we're playing against wincon, which would be the only real argument to repress 'fun' in a game environment afaic.

So all things considered, I recognize your arguments and that it isn't without merit, I just think we absolutely kill D1 and all subsequent days.

We can expedite the process by ending on a no-kill. Just saying.

[snowy801]

Also my biggest argument for D1 kill is that no kill is boring.

It killed my soul, no killing D3 on M69 and I'm not keen on playing a game like that for at least like 5 days when there aren't even flips to validate my obvious supremacy in all things.

And in the end, isn't a game meant to be fun? It's not like we're playing against wincon, which would be the only real argument to repress 'fun' in a game environment afaic.

So all things considered, I recognize your arguments and that it isn't without merit, I just think we absolutely kill D1 and all subsequent days.

We can expedite the process by ending on a no-kill. Just saying.

If you can somehow wrangle 10 no kill endvotes by 6PM tomorrow then I will gladly be the 11th if only in appreciation of your Herculean success

[kgray]

Hi celaph

[President Eden]

I'm kind of loathe to even keep talking about no-kill in any case, because if the town actually collectively decides to no-kill this early, then people will get apathetic and coast.

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Sabi's earnestness and freely mingling in the thread strike me as hard to show in one's first mafia game.
bozo and worcej approached the mechanical questions the same way I did.
snowy approached them from the opposite perspective, but the way he did reminded me of the previous town/crew performances I've seen from him.
Boat tried to keep things on track during the peak of the shitposting earlier tonight.

ghug and kgray were reaching a bit with some of their earlier questions. I want to say it was early day 1 town reaching, but their mafia range is wide enough for something like that, so I don't think I should give them credit for it.

Bona can have his townread when he works a little harder on his chores. For now I haven't seen enough to substantiate his claim that I townread him.

[Bonatogether]

Doesn't feel safe place for me to feel people out with questions or what not. Just want to get a feel. I'm new. I dunno most of you. Feels weird now

asking 'who do you think is scummy and why' or some variation on that always is good. asking about specific people too is good too, but a lot of the knowledge of who to ask about whatever read is just meta knowledge that you won't have. you can still make contributions to the game. there really is no such thing as a dumb question

Give me the meta bona

everyone who is in an argument is very readable in the sense that you can usually figure out a link of alignments (this person is not aligned with this other person, which must mean they have the same alignment as this third person, etc).

i already said my meta

bozo just does mechanics and game theory posts, and can't make a scumread to save his life as scum

bunny is pretty smart but is an odd duck, idr his scum tells

chaqa perennially lowposts as town but still does a good job, puts in effort as scum and usually wins. he also has many excuses that ghug can tell you for why he missed EoD

I haven't played with damo in a while and I don't remember his meta

doom is new and we can probably/maybe/hopefully use the newbie tells

durga is smart, gets in arguments and a good liar, which is hard to read iirc

i'm going to quote emc on flum: 'ascended to mafia nirvana' which essentially just means he doesn't especially care (idk how to put it) but he still plays and gets it right (or wrong, as the case may be)

ghug tryhards

jamie gets in arguments and has some other tells i dont remember

jasnah, in her one game, preached about her great skill and leadership and hardcarried the game for the entire town in a clean sweep, perhaps the best in webdip history

kgray is like durga but doesn't get into as many arguments. she gets fearkilled by scum (brainbomb) but it's clear when she's scum with celaph at least

lfischl lurks. nothing else to it

eden tryhards but in a more analytical big picture way than ghug, or he memes and does better than otherwise. idk his scum tells here, but in among us his imposter tell is saying that the argument against him just plain doesn't work

rdr is a low poster who is good. a decent tell for him is if he dies n1. he's very sly

idr snowy's tells, assume ghug-lite

the boat guy is a newb

I never learned Tom's tells

vecna is like flum in that he's much more chill. he has a good reputation but people are surprised when he wins/is right

I don't remember worcej's tells but I know it's pronounced like Worchester sauce

[President Eden]

Also my biggest argument for D1 kill is that no kill is boring.

It killed my soul, no killing D3 on M69 and I'm not keen on playing a game like that for at least like 5 days when there aren't even flips to validate my obvious supremacy in all things.

And in the end, isn't a game meant to be fun? It's not like we're playing against wincon, which would be the only real argument to repress 'fun' in a game environment afaic.

So all things considered, I recognize your arguments and that it isn't without merit, I just think we absolutely kill D1 and all subsequent days.

That's ultimately why I think we end up killing d1 and beyond. Nobody is here to vote skip until we're >50% certainty on a mafia lol.

[worcej]

It's less likely that we hit a PR D1 than it is that scum kill a PR N1, so we might as well take the shot at hitting scum imo

This is true, but I don't think the risk is worth it when by no-killing we 100% ensure no town player dies today and we can enter D2 knowing for sure a town player is dead (the N1 kill) and can at least try to analyze why.

[worcej]

I don't remember worcej's tells but I know it's pronounced like Worchester sauce

I fucking love this meta analysis of me lol

[President Eden]

asking 'who do you think is scummy and why' or some variation on that always is good. asking about specific people too is good too, but a lot of the knowledge of who to ask about whatever read is just meta knowledge that you won't have. you can still make contributions to the game. there really is no such thing as a dumb question

Give me the meta bona

everyone who is in an argument is very readable in the sense that you can usually figure out a link of alignments (this person is not aligned with this other person, which must mean they have the same alignment as this third person, etc).

i already said my meta

bozo just does mechanics and game theory posts, and can't make a scumread to save his life as scum

bunny is pretty smart but is an odd duck, idr his scum tells

chaqa perennially lowposts as town but still does a good job, puts in effort as scum and usually wins. he also has many excuses that ghug can tell you for why he missed EoD

I haven't played with damo in a while and I don't remember his meta

doom is new and we can probably/maybe/hopefully use the newbie tells

durga is smart, gets in arguments and a good liar, which is hard to read iirc

i'm going to quote emc on flum: 'ascended to mafia nirvana' which essentially just means he doesn't especially care (idk how to put it) but he still plays and gets it right (or wrong, as the case may be)

ghug tryhards

jamie gets in arguments and has some other tells i dont remember

jasnah, in her one game, preached about her great skill and leadership and hardcarried the game for the entire town in a clean sweep, perhaps the best in webdip history

kgray is like durga but doesn't get into as many arguments. she gets fearkilled by scum (brainbomb) but it's clear when she's scum with celaph at least

lfischl lurks. nothing else to it

eden tryhards but in a more analytical big picture way than ghug, or he memes and does better than otherwise. idk his scum tells here, but in among us his imposter tell is saying that the argument against him just plain doesn't work

rdr is a low poster who is good. a decent tell for him is if he dies n1. he's very sly

idr snowy's tells, assume ghug-lite

the boat guy is a newb

I never learned Tom's tells

vecna is like flum in that he's much more chill. he has a good reputation but people are surprised when he wins/is right

I don't remember worcej's tells but I know it's pronounced like Worchester sauce

Good now apply this to this game