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I mean, technically, that's not lurking, it's just being absent.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:18 pmI mean, technically I was lurking on purpose.
It's just real life purposes.
Well I hope you don't fool me again, although, I guess for quite a while I have been wearing a fools hat.
*nods since Jamie absolutely got what I was asking* *repaired quote edition*Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:18 pmI mean, technically, that's not lurking, it's just being absent.
"Lurking" is a more specific thing.
you're missing the point, all you need to know i'm rightghug wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:43 amHe didn't break the tie though? And voting for scum is town-indicative, as you're arguing elsewhere?Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:48 pmOn assumption celaph is town, he doesn't deserve anything for his vote. This is unverifiable immediately, so we must keep it in mind but not use it too much.ghug wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:11 pm
This keeps eating at me. What are you trying to say here? Saying it's a scummy vote because breaking the tie in lfischl's favor would appear townie is tautological, because a town celaph wouldn't know that to be the case. Celaph's point is that his vote wasn't ever going to get him any towncred, and thus should be NAI, not that his vote is townie.
However, breaking the tie in this situation often will get the breaker towncred. Scum!celaph most likely knows this and therefore, we must consider scum!celaph voting scum!lfischl as for towncredit. If this were to be the case, then celaph would have fooled us. This is bad, and deserves caution. Therefore, this vote must be considered not-town.
Taking these two together (nothing, and not-town), on balance that was a not-town vote, which, given usual patterns of celaph's behavior, is scummy.
He doesn't get cred because he piled on to prevent a tie, so his vote wasn't meaningful.
No uBonatogether wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:12 pmyou're missing the point, all you need to know i'm rightghug wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:43 amHe didn't break the tie though? And voting for scum is town-indicative, as you're arguing elsewhere?Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:48 pm
On assumption celaph is town, he doesn't deserve anything for his vote. This is unverifiable immediately, so we must keep it in mind but not use it too much.
However, breaking the tie in this situation often will get the breaker towncred. Scum!celaph most likely knows this and therefore, we must consider scum!celaph voting scum!lfischl as for towncredit. If this were to be the case, then celaph would have fooled us. This is bad, and deserves caution. Therefore, this vote must be considered not-town.
Taking these two together (nothing, and not-town), on balance that was a not-town vote, which, given usual patterns of celaph's behavior, is scummy.
He doesn't get cred because he piled on to prevent a tie, so his vote wasn't meaningful.
i townread you for other reasonsBobMcBob wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:18 amonly those 3?Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:21 pmFox, Jaime, Maniac, look good as early lfischl pushers
really?
im sad now
i dont believe town!celaph does that
messages can say whatever the fuck you wantcelaph wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:48 amYou are right that it was more hedging that lfischl playing similarly to past games was TI than anything else. I'm still surprised you put more emphasis on the vote than my history of messages that make my lack of interest in the vote obvious.
i was out dogsitting you clown
)"Visit"Bonatogether wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:19 pmi was out dogsitting you clown
im dogsitting an old dog who has bladder issues so i have to visit 4 times per day (had to wake up at 9am
last 2 visits were today :)
0) Your post has the glaring flaw of defending an incorrect positioncelaph wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:11 amThis post has a number of glaring flaws.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:48 pmOn assumption celaph is town, he doesn't deserve anything for his vote. This is unverifiable immediately, so we must keep it in mind but not use it too much.ghug wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:11 pm
This keeps eating at me. What are you trying to say here? Saying it's a scummy vote because breaking the tie in lfischl's favor would appear townie is tautological, because a town celaph wouldn't know that to be the case. Celaph's point is that his vote wasn't ever going to get him any towncred, and thus should be NAI, not that his vote is townie.
However, breaking the tie in this situation often will get the breaker towncred. Scum!celaph most likely knows this and therefore, we must consider scum!celaph voting scum!lfischl as for towncredit. If this were to be the case, then celaph would have fooled us. This is bad, and deserves caution. Therefore, this vote must be considered not-town.
Taking these two together (nothing, and not-town), on balance that was a not-town vote, which, given usual patterns of celaph's behavior, is scummy.
1. Looking at it for whether I deserve credit is a dumb way to look at it, I obviously don't.
2. The fact that you can't verify that I'm town doesn't give you blanket cover to avoid analyzing the situation.
Why don't you think that town celaph would vote like I did? As I mentioned earlier, I don't care how strongly incentivized scum would have been to vote there if town would have also voted there.
3. The alignment of a player has no relevance on whether or not their action was scummy or towny. Just because a town does something doesn't make that action towny and not all actions by scum are scummy.
You've discussed why scum are incentivized to vote there, but that doesn't mean that voting anti-town.
4. You can't just take "averages" of deserved credit, even if you derived it correctly, and use that to dictate how you act.
lfischl being read has about a 50% correctness rate and often is a game of 'follow the leader'celaph wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:23 amBecause I'm not sold on Bona's argument that lfischl is impossible to read. And it's not just because he posts so little. He has had a couple town games with many more posts where he still ends up getting killed quite quickly. I had a theory about his behavior being indicative of a normal, town, lfischl. Obviously I was wrong.
This is the purest thing ever said in this game.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:18 pmmessages can say whatever the fuck you want
with votes you have to act in the interest of your team