Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

[BobMcBob]

Outburst because of strategical differences? Jamiet didnt wanna go along with it? People actually siding with Ghug and indicating to go and vote Jamiet?

Some other type of weird plan to pivot away from it?

I dno, but mostly everything else in those actions fits the pairing just fine as far as im concerned.

yeah i think its still one of the biggest reasons im not sold on the pair
maybe it is but the outburst doesnt seem to fit easily

[BobMcBob]

Ive known ever since I looped you and Ghug together, and both of you did the "look at this guy with his rediculous pairing" that there had to be at minimum one scum in there.

The sense of both of you doing the whole "this pairing is ridiculous lol, you see how bad his reads are" to eachother had to include at least (and more likely) one scum.

why does that make it necessary for there to be a scum
especially if there is only 1 scum that means that the town in the pairing would individually choose to go "oh look at the ridiculous pairing"
so why could that not happen with two town individually?

just ego, being wrong on 1 is fine, being wrong on both is unacceptable.

I do feel you both responded poorly to it, in a manner Ive seen coming from scum so many times over the years. Maybe I worded it poorly, but when u get those vibes from both parties, it just confirms to me im right on at least one.

I thought you were more likely. But then apparently you forgot. And Ghug scumclaimed with his voting.

okay that makes more sense than some more solid form of one must be scum
i dont necessarily agree with it as i think it requires some questionable logic to follow through to that point but its a reason

[Chaqa]

Also, note that chaqa's stated reason "I believe scum ghug wouldve bussed Lfisch"

Is complete bollocks.

Ghug has been trying pretty hard to save teammates in recent games. Remember that game he outted his entire team trying to save brainbomb or whatever where -chaqa- still went on to win the game?

Yeah.....

I’m pretty sure the last time ghug was scum is when his entire team bussed (snowy? I forgot who it was) day 1 for cred

And idk why you’re shading me keeping up with the thread. I was first sub and fishl was in the game. I fully expected to have to sub in for him within a day or two, so I tried to keep up.

[ghug]

And yee, after all those interactions today, I feel normal town ghug does not try to sneakily eliminate me last second tbe way he tried there.

He thought he had an easy opportunity to get rid of me. Not a town move at all.

are you sure youre not just paranoid?
all he did was vote one of the least towny players in the game
why is there such a huge problem with that?

Because during all our interactions today, it was quite blatant he did not feel I was scum at all. He was happy that he convinced me to start participating again. He did not voice any trouble whatsoever.

Ghug does not actually vote me as town. It never happens. As scum, he always tries to get rid of me via daykill if he can. In a sneaky manner, when he feels there is some potential support for it he will place his vote out of nowhere.

Check the last time I was daykilled as town. The game where Kgray was jailkeeper and jailed me. The entire scumteam hopped onto my wagon after Ghug used Kgrays suspicion to lastminute wagon me there too.

I lost my immediate desire to daykill you after our interactions, but you were still high up in the pool, and I ended up preferring you to the other options

[ghug]

Also, note that chaqa's stated reason "I believe scum ghug wouldve bussed Lfisch"

Is complete bollocks.

Ghug has been trying pretty hard to save teammates in recent games. Remember that game he outted his entire team trying to save brainbomb or whatever where -chaqa- still went on to win the game?

Yeah.....

This didn't happen.

[ghug]

Hurray, I did a Vecna, now we can all townread me again.

10/10

6/10 would definitely consider not voting you tomorrow

Ive known ever since I looped you and Ghug together, and both of you did the "look at this guy with his rediculous pairing" that there had to be at minimum one scum in there.

The sense of both of you doing the whole "this pairing is ridiculous lol, you see how bad his reads are" to eachother had to include at least (and more likely) one scum.

You actually sound like brainbomb right now. None of what you're saying is needed in reality. I never said the ghug/Bob pairing was ridiculous.

[ghug]

Also, note that chaqa's stated reason "I believe scum ghug wouldve bussed Lfisch"

Is complete bollocks.

Ghug has been trying pretty hard to save teammates in recent games. Remember that game he outted his entire team trying to save brainbomb or whatever where -chaqa- still went on to win the game?

Yeah.....

I’m pretty sure the last time ghug was scum is when his entire team bussed (snowy? I forgot who it was) day 1 for cred

And idk why you’re shading me keeping up with the thread. I was first sub and fishl was in the game. I fully expected to have to sub in for him within a day or two, so I tried to keep up.

Summit. But that wasn't the last time. The last time I was scum I got caught on the wrong side of a really questionable flashwagon on my teammate damo D1.

[Chaqa]

Also, note that chaqa's stated reason "I believe scum ghug wouldve bussed Lfisch"

Is complete bollocks.

Ghug has been trying pretty hard to save teammates in recent games. Remember that game he outted his entire team trying to save brainbomb or whatever where -chaqa- still went on to win the game?

Yeah.....

This didn't happen.

I think something like that happened in one game, but I don't think ghug was scum? I vaguely recall being on a scumteam with brain when he imploded.

[rdrivera2005]

Towards EoD he voted Rdrivera, you and then landed on me because there were 2 other votes there.

You can bet your bloody balls im town, regardless of people being ignorant to that fact this game.

Im not convinced on either of you or Rdrivera being town, but that might just be my flaw.

So if Ghug is town, and he is roughly equal on Rdrivera/you/me and somehow mentions Chaqa in that list as well as preferable over Worcej....

Given how this game has played out, and the way he feels about those players....

Do you feel that vote really reflects how he would vote as town?

Because to me it feels like he was shopping for a good scum kill, and that town him wouldve tried to kill Chaqa in that spot.

When I popped in and made this argument in much shorter form you could even tell he was taken aback by it a little bit.

You will need to pick 2 between Ghug, Chaqa, me and Bob.

I had the same feeling as you about Ghug. I just don't see town Ghug playing the way he is playing.

We need to hit a scum tomorrow to avoid milo.

[Chaqa]

9 players left. 8 after this night phase.

6-2. If we miskill, it's down to 4-2 the next day phase.

Cop can claim tomorrow with 2 scans or the next with 3, if we're lucky.

We have some good odds yet.

[ghug]

Also, note that chaqa's stated reason "I believe scum ghug wouldve bussed Lfisch"

Is complete bollocks.

Ghug has been trying pretty hard to save teammates in recent games. Remember that game he outted his entire team trying to save brainbomb or whatever where -chaqa- still went on to win the game?

Yeah.....

This didn't happen.

I think something like that happened in one game, but I don't think ghug was scum? I vaguely recall being on a scumteam with brain when he imploded.

I've been on a couple scumteams with brain where he imploded recently. Once he took us all down with him and once we survived to win. My only scumgame with you maybe ever was the fake date incident.

[ghug]

9 players left. 8 after this night phase.

6-2. If we miskill, it's down to 4-2 the next day phase.

Cop can claim tomorrow with 2 scans or the next with 3, if we're lucky.

We have some good odds yet.

Yeah, I think cop should probably crumb scans tonight in case they die and then fully claim them EoN tomorrow.

[rdrivera2005]

9 players left. 8 after this night phase.

6-2. If we miskill, it's down to 4-2 the next day phase.

Cop can claim tomorrow with 2 scans or the next with 3, if we're lucky.

We have some good odds yet.

Cop should not claim unless he has a guilty or he is going to be hanged.

[rdrivera2005]

9 players left. 8 after this night phase.

6-2. If we miskill, it's down to 4-2 the next day phase.

Cop can claim tomorrow with 2 scans or the next with 3, if we're lucky.

We have some good odds yet.

Yeah, I think cop should probably crumb scans tonight in case they die and then fully claim them EoN tomorrow.

Cop have only one scan until now, an inno I presume, so don't see any reason for him to crumb tonight.

[ghug]

9 players left. 8 after this night phase.

6-2. If we miskill, it's down to 4-2 the next day phase.

Cop can claim tomorrow with 2 scans or the next with 3, if we're lucky.

We have some good odds yet.

Yeah, I think cop should probably crumb scans tonight in case they die and then fully claim them EoN tomorrow.

Cop have only one scan until now, an inno I presume, so don't see any reason for him to crumb tonight.

Just like townread that person. Doesn't have to be super overt.

I'd hope a cop with a guilty scan would have also kept that quiet.

[ghug]

Hi lfischl

[Vecna]

Also, note that chaqa's stated reason "I believe scum ghug wouldve bussed Lfisch"

Is complete bollocks.

Ghug has been trying pretty hard to save teammates in recent games. Remember that game he outted his entire team trying to save brainbomb or whatever where -chaqa- still went on to win the game?

Yeah.....

This didn't happen.

I think something like that happened in one game, but I don't think ghug was scum? I vaguely recall being on a scumteam with brain when he imploded.

that was with ghug. Ghug actually ended up eating the bullet instead of brainbomb while trying to divert wagons, but brainbomb still outted himself.

[ghug]

This didn't happen.

I think something like that happened in one game, but I don't think ghug was scum? I vaguely recall being on a scumteam with brain when he imploded.

that was with ghug. Ghug actually ended up eating the bullet instead of brainbomb while trying to divert wagons, but brainbomb still outted himself.

You're thinking of the game where the team was me, brain, Brian, bozo, Jamie. And brain's the one who panicked and tried to save me at the last minute after bussing me all day, so I'm not sure how it's relevant here.

[ghug]

I think something like that happened in one game, but I don't think ghug was scum? I vaguely recall being on a scumteam with brain when he imploded.

that was with ghug. Ghug actually ended up eating the bullet instead of brainbomb while trying to divert wagons, but brainbomb still outted himself.

You're thinking of the game where the team was me, brain, Brian, bozo, Jamie. And brain's the one who panicked and tried to save me at the last minute after bussing me all day, so I'm not sure how it's relevant here.

Also we lost horribly.

[rdrivera2005]

Yeah, I think cop should probably crumb scans tonight in case they die and then fully claim them EoN tomorrow.

Cop have only one scan until now, an inno I presume, so don't see any reason for him to crumb tonight.

Just like townread that person. Doesn't have to be super overt.

I'd hope a cop with a guilty scan would have also kept that quiet.

Why? With one goon down and a guilty you should claim immediately. There is a not small risk to have a counter claim and on milo it's risky (as it happened with me on last mini).