Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#601 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:55 pm

BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:31 pm
celaph wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:55 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:08 am

that wouldve looked a lot worse if worcej was scum
as it stands it doesnt look too bad now
i think
Why would it have looked worse if Worcej is scum? I feel like Jamie looks decent for calling out Kak's move to lfischl.
As is, I feel like it looks alright, but mostly because I don't expect that scum Jamie there is in the mindset there of accusing Kak knowing Kak is right.
this was saying kak wouldve looked awful if worcej was scum
which i stand by
Worcej might be scum.

Your use of "would've" in the past tense suggests you know Worcej would not have flipped scum.

Can you clarify your position?

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#602 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:55 pm

BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:34 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:40 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:08 am

that wouldve looked a lot worse if worcej was scum
as it stands it doesnt look too bad now
i think
How do you know that Worcej is not scum?
if worcej flipped scum/is scum
was trying to communicate both at once
Ok never mind, I rescind my previous question.

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#603 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:57 pm

Kakarroto wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:45 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:31 am
[...]
Conclusion: Town Lfischl seems to have no fear of voting. Today Lfischl seemed very reluctant to vote. Kak has observed that Lfischl was online a few minutes before EoD. Meanwhile in this game Lfischl lurked and was afraid to vote. This might suggest that either Worcej or Celaph is scum and Lfischl was worried about voting for his team-mate. It doesn't explain why he wouldn't just plonk a vote on me, though.
- just a quick correction: I've seen him shortly after the EoD, I think he went out of that hide mode you can do when browsing the forum.
Ok, thank you for clarifying.

I'm not sure why he would go to such lengths to reveal his presence after being dead, but whatever.

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#604 Post by Foxcastle » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:58 pm

BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:18 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:21 pm
Fox, Jaime, Maniac, look good as early lfischl pushers
only those 3?
really?
im sad now
You might deserve more credit, but if you knew that you weren't going to be around for end of game, bussing lfischl and hoping he skated by so you could yell at him to be more active so that you could walk back your scum read is pretty plausible. I'm not saying I personally think it's likely, just that we need to consider it.

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#605 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:00 pm

Vecna wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:48 pm
i saw some questions directed at me at this page. Ill catch up if im still alive tomorrow.

@scum; you may now kill me to negate my hot takes
This egregious anchoring is deeply egregious. Answer tonight please.

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#606 Post by Foxcastle » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:03 pm

Kakarroto wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:23 pm
celaph wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:50 am
Side note: I do find it rather notable that Bona was absent for the 80 minutes before EoD and then appeared rather quickly after the results were shared.
kinda like lfischl ...

hmmmm

But would two mafia do that exact thing?
I agree it's less likely, but if it was going to happen, Day 1 before they've had a chance to coordinate is when it's more likely to happen.

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#607 Post by Vecna » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:05 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:00 pm
Vecna wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:48 pm
i saw some questions directed at me at this page. Ill catch up if im still alive tomorrow.

@scum; you may now kill me to negate my hot takes
This egregious anchoring is deeply egregious. Answer tonight please.
I dont remember, that was a long time ago

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#608 Post by Foxcastle » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:06 pm

I remember some theory that scum are more conscious of how they appear to town and this can occasionally give them away, but don't remember much more than that. Is that idea familiar to anyone else?

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#609 Post by BobMcBob » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:09 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:06 pm
I remember some theory that scum are more conscious of how they appear to town and this can occasionally give them away, but don't remember much more than that. Is that idea familiar to anyone else?
yeah thats a fairly common idea, but its not quite so easy to pick up on most of the time

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#610 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:15 pm

Vecna wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:05 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:00 pm
Vecna wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:48 pm
i saw some questions directed at me at this page. Ill catch up if im still alive tomorrow.

@scum; you may now kill me to negate my hot takes
This egregious anchoring is deeply egregious. Answer tonight please.
I dont remember, that was a long time ago
What?

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#611 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:16 pm

Vecna is being a troll on purpose.

@Vecna: Please try to play nicely. People get upset very easily these days.

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#612 Post by rdrivera2005 » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:45 pm

Kakarroto wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:20 pm
BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:52 am
celaph wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:20 pm
@Kak, go look at lfischl's M67 where he was town. It strikes me as similarly unimpressive to his play today.
it strikes me as odd how many times celaph pointed out lfischls inactivity as normal
and wanted to kill specifically in the non-lfischl lurkers
- that might be a great observation, I'll guess I have to have a look at that on a reread, if it's true.
BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:57 am
Kakarroto wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:22 pm
Hmm ... if Bob is actually mafia with lfischl here, he might also try to do a low key bus. In that case, would it be correct to go for Bob? Or lfischl?
if were both mafia either is correct
why did you think that was likely though?
and why did you think it likely enough to consider me over lfischl?
- well, I didn't see much from you at the end (ok, I totally blanked out timezones and stuff), other players presented some thoughts about you which made me consider you, I lack the information from last game for other roles so I'm much more unsure, if I'm mafia I would do something like that, lfischl is much more prone of lurking/low participating, also see following quote:
BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:10 am
Kakarroto wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:59 pm
##vote BobMcBob

now lfischl either gets modkilled or he votes worcej
hmmm?
also why would there be a modkill with 3 subs on the board?
- I ... I ... I guess I was big unsmart at the time, I was under the impression lfischl would've been just modkilled if he doesn't vote and isn't the top votee ... very big unsmart ...
BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:24 am
Kakarroto wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:32 pm
I just noticed we made detective's job much harder, can only find one mafia anymore. Ah well, that just means keep quiet until one positive match.
i dont... think thats actaully a bad thing kak
- yeah, thinking about it and having a night to sleep I can it see it now with another perspective. Guess I've put too much value in detective.
BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:25 am
Kakarroto wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:33 pm


do you think it was BobMcBob?
i get the impression kak really likes this theory...
- Lets just say, at the time, I wanted to explore this theory in my mind. In retrospect, it sounds like it's an easy situation and most of the time, those theories are wrong. Life isn't that easy, and mafia especially.
BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:34 am
Kakarroto wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:53 pm
The only thing I really lament is, that we got not much information from lfischl.
there may be something to draw from what he said about ghug/jamie
does he make that dichotomy between two town, or town and a teammate?
i dont know
but i dont think we can get anything else out of lfischls posts
its better to search other peoples interactions with him or thoughts on him
- hmm ... reading his post again, I think he wants to flip one to get a miskill. If both are town, the first flip would be it, he would get 'credit' for stopping a second miskill. If one is town and one is maf, then if that reveals town, the other maf would be safe(r), if the first flip is maf, then it would be easier to flip the town. Well, it's possible if both are maf, that he wanted to go for towncred, but I don't think lfischl would've done that due to his voting behaviour.

Or am I wrong here?
@Kak, you said you was unsmart to think lfischl would have been modkillwd, but on page 21 (that I was re-reading now), you explicitly considered he could be replaced for not voting. Why this doesn't seems to fit? It looks a good way to keep an open door for a teammate to save his ass.
Kakarroto wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:55 pm
Hmm ... somethings off, I can't point a finger to it. Is it actually true and we have maf vs maf right now as maniac says? Is it that lfischl didn't say anything for a while again, voting no one with a possible last minute vote to turn something upside down/rescuing someone (I'm not sure he would just not vote and get replaced)? Is it that the two leading wagons make some good looking and some not so fine posts and we have an actually t vs t situation?

Hmm ...

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#613 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:07 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:45 pm
@Kak, you said you was unsmart to think lfischl would have been modkillwd, but on page 21 (that I was re-reading now), you explicitly considered he could be replaced for not voting. Why this doesn't seems to fit? It looks a good way to keep an open door for a teammate to save his ass.
Kakarroto wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:55 pm
Hmm ... somethings off, I can't point a finger to it. Is it actually true and we have maf vs maf right now as maniac says? Is it that lfischl didn't say anything for a while again, voting no one with a possible last minute vote to turn something upside down/rescuing someone (I'm not sure he would just not vote and get replaced)? Is it that the two leading wagons make some good looking and some not so fine posts and we have an actually t vs t situation?

Hmm ...
Just highlighting the part Rdrivera has noticed.

Good observation!

Very inconsistent from Kak.

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#614 Post by Foxcastle » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:17 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:07 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:45 pm
@Kak, you said you was unsmart to think lfischl would have been modkillwd, but on page 21 (that I was re-reading now), you explicitly considered he could be replaced for not voting. Why this doesn't seems to fit? It looks a good way to keep an open door for a teammate to save his ass.
Kakarroto wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:55 pm
Hmm ... somethings off, I can't point a finger to it. Is it actually true and we have maf vs maf right now as maniac says? Is it that lfischl didn't say anything for a while again, voting no one with a possible last minute vote to turn something upside down/rescuing someone (I'm not sure he would just not vote and get replaced)? Is it that the two leading wagons make some good looking and some not so fine posts and we have an actually t vs t situation?

Hmm ...
Just highlighting the part Rdrivera has noticed.

Good observation!

Very inconsistent from Kak.
I generally take inconsistency as a sign of towniness, though.

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#615 Post by Jamiet99uk » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:19 pm

@Foxcastle: What is your current read on Ghug and Vecna, and why, in each case?

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#616 Post by worcej » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:21 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:27 am
worcej wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:16 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:03 am


hate this post
Only because I am glad you chose not to flash wagon me?

What would you have learned from my flip?

Do you think me lurking on D1, which was over a weekend (when I am almost always a not posting much), is a scumtell for me?
idk what this means

your role

i wasn't paying attention to you d1 but the post is :?
My role is a town role.

Do you trust me?

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#617 Post by worcej » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:21 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:45 am
worcej wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:42 am
Ghug and Jamie super scum.
Dumb worcej town worcej.
It's true.

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#618 Post by Vecna » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:22 pm

its not like you were the beacon of wisdom last game

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#619 Post by worcej » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:23 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:48 am
Does anyone want to tell the class why I'm obvtown or do I get to be a D3 wagon?
I'm more inclined to flip Jamie D2 to get an idea on your alignment.

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Re: Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

#620 Post by worcej » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:33 pm

BobMcBob wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:05 am
celaph wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:38 pm
##vote worcej

The reasoning on Jamie's wagon is incredibly uninspiring and makes me think people are fine just killing Jamie regardless. Fox seems to be doing his best to make me want to kill him, but something in me wants to hold off on him atm.
interesting post, not quite sure what to make of this
It's funny because the logic he is using against me here was the logic used by several who voted for me.

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