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snowy801 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:47 am

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:42 am

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:15 am

To point out what I was doing D3 EOD, I was trying to make Macca a viable DK after he declared his 3P item to see if the 3P would get on the wagon, and Vecna did get on the wagon when a Macca DK looked possible, but moved back to no-kill when it was obvious a Macca DK was not going to happen. There was no reason for Vecna to move back to no-kill there if he was really interested in a Macca DK, except for appearances.

I’m still catching up but damn this is the bozo I came here to sheep.

I thought you were going to sheep me!
I sad.

New question for those who stand accused of being 3P (and assorted peanut gallery).

Who do we want to Hot Salsa tomorrow, to gain optimal effects?

It depends who we are going to kill.

It also is problematic because scum can hand items to their final buddy if we declare it. As Maniac just pointed out, scum may have anticipated this and that’s how scum!HB had only the one item.

Saying it again though it feels like a bit of a stretch… so HB not a good kill today…

Would I have been able to carry more items than the 1? Is this making the leap that mafia (Kak and Tom) would have thrown whatever items they had to me?

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:05 pm

Neither Bozo nor Maniac have been on a lead wagon so cannot be anywhere near winning if 3p. [Maniac could of course be mafia]

Of the remaining 3p candidates

Food can have 4 max (but prob max 3)
Jamie can have 5 max (but prob max 4)
Vecna could have 4 max (but isn't mafia)

This means Jamie ought to be the dk BUT he has chicken so it would be too easy for 3p to jump on if Jamie isn't 3p.

I think ##vote food is the way to go.

IT IS IMPERATIVE NO 3p ITEM is passed to any if the above named 5 (obviously).

So, I am absolutely not 3P OR scum.

What counterwagon is it best for me to vote on to generate the most valuable info if you flip me and see I’m town?

I have my thoughts but will think on them throughout the day.

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:24 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:54 am

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:31 am

Also, the obvious logic about what happened is this;

Scum hit Commuting Ghug N2. Then shot him with the loaded gun D3 since they didnt wanna deal with him being all smug and towncleared and the like.

This is why TomB was sad for being caught for the wrong reasons, and tried to spin it in a different way as to them hitting the 3P.

This also completely invalidates Bozo's theory.

(and Snowy, the fact you were actually believing it is fucking cringe)

This need Ghug not commuting D1. You are better then this.

Can someone explain the commute to me? I was thinking it was Driver, derp.

What I’m confused about is how long the effect works. The description says you take it during the day “and no one can approach you.” Does it cover an entire day/night cycle?

Usually it's just the Night. Day Commuting isn't commonplace.

Basically it just means you go away for the night so nobody can visit you.

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:27 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:46 am

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:42 am

I’m still catching up but damn this is the bozo I came here to sheep.

You are in Bozo's scum-pool so that's interesting.

I don’t think it would be interesting regardless of my alignment. Why can’t scum!food or 3P!food pocket town!bozo by claiming to sheep him?

Is that what you are doing?

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:44 pm

Would I have been able to carry more items than the 1? Is this making the leap that mafia (Kak and Tom) would have thrown whatever items they had to me?

What? People can hold more than one item, yes. Otherwise how would the 3P ever win?

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:47 pm

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:27 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:46 am

You are in Bozo's scum-pool so that's interesting.

I don’t think it would be interesting regardless of my alignment. Why can’t scum!food or 3P!food pocket town!bozo by claiming to sheep him?

Is that what you are doing?

No. I’m trying to figure out the game. I like what bozo is doing.

I just find it odd you think it’s interesting that I townread someone scumreading me. But that’s neither here nor there.

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:25 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:57 am

It would be very helpful to know current whereabouts of all the 3p items. Please declare if you have any, you can give it away.

White rice - Damo to snowy to damo
Brown Rice - Macca to Bob to ?
Black Beans - ?
Pinto Beans - Vecna to Bob to donee/scum
Pico - ?
Chicken - Jamie
Napkins - ?

Filling in gaps is useful. This is current position before today's swaparound

I do not have any 3P items.

Thanks. But you would say that wouldn't you lol.

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:33 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:02 am

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:00 am

Tom wagon?

I did it with one minute to go. I was being polite.

The timing is irrelevant if you're the 3P getting on the wagon in order to obtain an item.

I think it is relevant because town failed to get the hammer on, but, fine.

The same argument then applies to anyone else if timing and reasoning is irrelevant. This is why Vecna is sus to me.

what was sus about the timing of any of my votes?

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:38 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:42 am

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:04 am

I’m on mobile but celaph made an N1 post where he highlighted the mechanics and it looked like maaaaaaybe he was softing he received a non 3P item. But it’s a stretch.

quoting the post below. Could you please explain how that one post he made would indicate it?

celaph wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:07 pm

Assuming you're talking about the votes in the last minute...



As for the other votes, I'm not entirely sure. Will give more thought and analysis later.

Because he bolded. I said it was a stretch.

It’s also largely not relevant, it’s just hypothesizing. You want to scum/3P me over tossing out an idea? Ya rite bud

this was more just out of interest, because I looked at the same post and I just didnt see the angle.

Not like making that statement had any allignment relevance.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:48 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:44 pm

Would I have been able to carry more items than the 1? Is this making the leap that mafia (Kak and Tom) would have thrown whatever items they had to me?

What? People can hold more than one item, yes. Otherwise how would the 3P ever win?

I knew that. I was just trying to encourage a calculation of why I couldn't be mafia who received those items then tossed all but one away.

@Food, just scrolling over these lists that people were kind enough to make:

guac (cop x2) - rdrivera
white rice (doctor x2) - damo
pinto beans (role block x2) - Vecna
brown rice (faith healer x3) - Macca
cheese (fruit vendor) - Kgray
chicken (double vote x2) - Jamiet
corn salsa (tracker x2) - Hamilton Brian
hot salsa (hot potato x2) - snowy
lettuce (jack-of-all-trade) - Maniac
Sofritas - Bob


and :

White rice - Damo to snowy to damo
Brown Rice - Macca to Bob to Vecna
Black Beans - ?
Pinto Beans - Vecna to Bob to donee/scum
Pico - ?
Chicken - Jamie
Napkins - ?
Cheese - 3P


Did you ever claim an item?

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:53 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:47 pm

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:27 pm

I don’t think it would be interesting regardless of my alignment. Why can’t scum!food or 3P!food pocket town!bozo by claiming to sheep him?

Is that what you are doing?

No. I’m trying to figure out the game. I like what bozo is doing.

I just find it odd you think it’s interesting that I townread someone scumreading me. But that’s neither here nor there.

It wasn't the townreading but the reference to sheeping that I found interesting.

If I'm town, I wouldn't usually sheep someone who was scumreading me, because I know their reads are wrong. Geddit?

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:50 am

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:47 am

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:42 am

I’m still catching up but damn this is the bozo I came here to sheep.

I thought you were going to sheep me!
I sad.

New question for those who stand accused of being 3P (and assorted peanut gallery).

Who do we want to Hot Salsa tomorrow, to gain optimal effects?

Depending on who we daykill today, either me, Maniac or the last scum.

Errr there is two scum left Vecna. Your wording is very suspicious

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:05 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:48 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:44 pm

Would I have been able to carry more items than the 1? Is this making the leap that mafia (Kak and Tom) would have thrown whatever items they had to me?

What? People can hold more than one item, yes. Otherwise how would the 3P ever win?

I knew that. I was just trying to encourage a calculation of why I couldn't be mafia who received those items then tossed all but one away.

Maybe you are Mafia. But, if so, that's next-level bussing from Tom Bombadil.

Maniac wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:11 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:50 am

snowy801 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:47 am

I thought you were going to sheep me!
I sad.

New question for those who stand accused of being 3P (and assorted peanut gallery).

Who do we want to Hot Salsa tomorrow, to gain optimal effects?

Depending on who we daykill today, either me, Maniac or the last scum.

Errr there is two scum left Vecna. Your wording is very suspicious

I think that's just Vecna being confident that a Mafioso or 3p will be hanged today.

Jamie can un3p himself be giving away chicken (if we let him survive). Neither Vecna nor food can un3p themselves.

Food has declared no 3p item so if he is town and we dk him 3p cannot inherit. If he is 3p all well and good. If he is scum and holds 3p items we have a problem.

I think we kill food and ask Vecna and Jamie to stay off wagon.

There is a risk 3pJamie or 3pVecna jump on in a gamble to win. If so, they either win (1 in 3 chance say) or get daykilled tomorrow.

I think food is the way to go.

Re Hot potato if someone declares receiving chicken then to Vecna, else to Jamie.

@snowy please check this plan

the alternative is I guess Maniac but if he flips town we are in trouble.

Ironically I think Mafia are Maniac and Jamie with Vecna as 3p with food being the optimal vote.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:12 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:05 pm

I knew that. I was just trying to encourage a calculation of why I couldn't be mafia who received those items then tossed all but one away.

Maybe you are Mafia. But, if so, that's next-level bussing from Tom Bombadil.

I mean, it would be a fantastic wheeze if you could pull it off:

- Get outed as scum
- Pretend you're going to help town catch the Third Party
- Loudly proclaim that you've got evidence your scum-buddy is the Third Party (knowing that evidence will probably be discredited in the near future)
- Watch as town discovers you were lying about the third party, and allow your "towncleared" scum-buddy to cruise over the finish line.

If that's what's happening here I'll be impressed.

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:10 pm

@Food, just scrolling over these lists that people were kind enough to make:

guac (cop x2) - rdrivera
white rice (doctor x2) - damo
pinto beans (role block x2) - Vecna
brown rice (faith healer x3) - Macca
cheese (fruit vendor) - Kgray
chicken (double vote x2) - Jamiet
corn salsa (tracker x2) - Hamilton Brian
hot salsa (hot potato x2) - snowy
lettuce (jack-of-all-trade) - Maniac
Sofritas - Bob


and :

White rice - Damo to snowy to damo
Brown Rice - Macca to Bob to Vecna
Black Beans - ?
Pinto Beans - Vecna to Bob to donee/scum
Pico - ?
Chicken - Jamie
Napkins - ?
Cheese - 3P


Did you ever claim an item?

Food = Queso

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:14 pm

Jamie can un3p himself be giving away chicken (if we let him survive). Neither Vecna nor food can un3p themselves.

Food has declared no 3p item so if he is town and we dk him 3p cannot inherit. If he is 3p all well and good. If he is scum and holds 3p items we have a problem.

I think we kill food and ask Vecna and Jamie to stay off wagon.

There is a risk 3pJamie or 3pVecna jump on in a gamble to win. If so, they either win (1 in 3 chance say) or get daykilled tomorrow.

I think food is the way to go.

Re Hot potato if someone declares receiving chicken then to Vecna, else to Jamie.

I concur with this plan. It seems solid to me. I promise not to jump on.

##Unvote.