M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

To those who don't stand accused of being scum or 3P...

What does it imply if Tom flips hooker? Night 1, hooker and killer went separate ways as we know (ghug / celaph), and we have no intel on Night 2, except that I was roleblocked. Do we think hooker and killer went separate ways here? Do we believe that scum would be motivated to shoot Brian, for whatever reason?

HB only voted for lfischl on D2.

I believe that the scum team would almost certainly be looking out for who is cop on D2. Unless we have reason to believe brainbomb is scum, why would scum team even shoot for HB?

@Tom could you elaborate on your reasons for shooting HB?

[snowy801]

Hey wait a second

@snowy

Why did you say you think Tom is the Hooker?

Before I explain, what makes you ask this? What would learning this information provide for you?

[foodcoats]

Hey wait a second

@snowy

Why did you say you think Tom is the Hooker?

Before I explain, what makes you ask this? What would learning this information provide for you?

You explicitly believe that Tom is not the godfather, because you told rdr that there was only one remaining scannable enemy.

No one but scum could know this from my current, probably shitty, POV.

When you replied to me yesterday I forgot that Tom was RBd, not that he DID an RB. Therefore I accepted your response. But it raises the question… why do you think Tom is the hooker?

I see you claimed white rice so I could be missing something here. But it really looks like a scumslip.

[Hamilton Brian]

All right, since it’s obvious Im doomed I’ll just come out with it. I (well worcej) just had terrible luck with Vecna’s roleblock.

I’m getting killed because I was roleblocked and there was no N2 kill.

I was not the person carrying out the kill, so the roleblock had no impact on that, and instead just incriminated me by happenstance.

That means we either hit 3rd party - Hamilton Brian - or they are lying about their item and are bullterproof instead which seems unlikely.

##vote Hamilton Brian

The shit is this? 3rd Party? Nope. I was never on an ending wagon like the 3P would expect to be...even with so much time to move each day.

And...no one has counterclaimed the corn salsa. AS soon as someone does to discredit me, I'd say that's one of the other 2 mafia members.

Nice try Tom. Kind of valiant in its last ditch attempt.

It could be an attempt to get a town mis-kill, but the 3P can start with the tracker.

My item was not stolen though, and I used it all up.

[foodcoats]

Help me snowy, I’m bad at mafia.

[Hamilton Brian]

@Tom could you elaborate on your reasons for shooting HB?

Why does this feel like some coaching going on? Tell a lie often enough it becomes true? Sheesh!

[snowy801]

Hey wait a second

@snowy

Why did you say you think Tom is the Hooker?

Before I explain, what makes you ask this? What would learning this information provide for you?

You explicitly believe that Tom is not the godfather, because you told rdr that there was only one remaining scannable enemy.

No one but scum could know this from my current, probably shitty, POV.

When you replied to me yesterday I forgot that Tom was RBd, not that he DID an RB. Therefore I accepted your response. But it raises the question… why do you think Tom is the hooker?

I see you claimed white rice so I could be missing something here. But it really looks like a scumslip.

What would you believe if I told you that I have no reason to believe Tom is hooker whatsoever? Play out your thought process, and lay out what it looks like please.

[foodcoats]

Before I explain, what makes you ask this? What would learning this information provide for you?

You explicitly believe that Tom is not the godfather, because you told rdr that there was only one remaining scannable enemy.

No one but scum could know this from my current, probably shitty, POV.

When you replied to me yesterday I forgot that Tom was RBd, not that he DID an RB. Therefore I accepted your response. But it raises the question… why do you think Tom is the hooker?

I see you claimed white rice so I could be missing something here. But it really looks like a scumslip.

What would you believe if I told you that I have no reason to believe Tom is hooker whatsoever? Play out your thought process, and lay out what it looks like please.

Why did you say it then?

[foodcoats]

Also snowy did you START with white rice or did you receive it?

[snowy801]

Why did you say it then?

No, I'm asking you a hypothetical. Assume what I just said is true: what does that mean for you?

I did not start with white rice. I see no reason not to disclose that, as it is public information, for the purpose of this exercise (and I've already said it).

[damo666]

@food please move off Tom wagon

[damo666]

I think there's a distinct possibility of Tom trying to get HamB mk'd.

[snowy801]

I think there's a distinct possibility of Tom trying to get HamB mk'd.

Personally, I think this is the conclusion we are meant to reach, and HamB is actually TomB (hey look at that)'s scum partner.

But perhaps that's a bit of a reach.

Fortunately, we have 72+ hours to think about it, with even more info!

[Tom Bombadil]

I think there's a distinct possibility of Tom trying to get HamB mk'd.

This isn’t really logical. In a setup where third party can kill, scum may want 3rd party to stay alive. That’s not the case here.

I don’t want to reveal why HB was targeted. If I wanted to setup a town kill by faking catching third party, I would have picked someone who was on a killing wagon. I don’t know why HB wasn’t on either wagon to get an item. You can ask him.

HB was targeted for reasons non third party related

[Hamilton Brian]

I think there's a distinct possibility of Tom trying to get HamB mk'd.

You think?

Not sure it's helpful or if it would even happen (and because I speak first then think) but I'd rather kill Tom today and I'll eat the NK bullet. Barring that, make me the next DK unless there's a significant slip by a mafia member.

[snowy801]

I think there's a distinct possibility of Tom trying to get HamB mk'd.

You think?

Not sure it's helpful or if it would even happen (and because I speak first then think) but I'd rather kill Tom today and I'll eat the NK bullet. Barring that, make me the next DK unless there's a significant slip by a mafia member.

Why would you eat the NK bullet?

[foodcoats]

Why did you say it then?

No, I'm asking you a hypothetical. Assume what I just said is true: what does that mean for you?

I did not start with white rice. I see no reason not to disclose that, as it is public information, for the purpose of this exercise (and I've already said it).

If you were to claim that you had no reason for claiming you believe Tom is the Hooker, I would say you are very possibly scum who has scumslipped, as per the following set of events:

1. You indicate to rdr that the next use of guac will not be valuable because only 1 of the remaining scum can be scanned.

Well I'm happy that you're alive, my friend.

That last scan is more or less useless anyway. Though we might get real lucky and find the one scum that can be scanned.

When I question you on this point, you elucidate:

Scumslip?

Specifically here, what were you saying?

Oh, of the three unknown non-town remaining, both ecoli and chaqa are immune to scans. So even considering that we scan non-town, 2/3 chance it gives a false positive.

And then further:

No, I believe Tom is not the godfather as he is the hooker.

So, to me, if you made a series of posts indicating that you have deduced Tom is the Hooker and that the godfather will survive the day, I can be pretty confident that town!snowy does indeed have a good reason to believe that. That is why I am asking you.

I think that if you DON'T have a good reason, you are scum!snowy trying to get out of a slip, and that you pre-empted Tom's flip in some way by knowing Tom is not the godfather. Tom may also not be the Hooker; you may have made the same mental confusion I did that Tom WAS blocked, rather than Tom IS the blocker.

So, can you please explain the non-hypothetical situation I've laid out above instead of dancing around my question? If you are town, you should see this is important. If I've made a very small error in my reading - please, correct me. I want to see the truth.

[foodcoats]

@food please move off Tom wagon

Okay, but then I demand Bob and Snowy also off the wagon. Also brain.

Do a wagon of bozo, damo, Maniac, Vecna, and Jamie. I'll approve that wagon.

[brainbomb]

I think there's a distinct possibility of Tom trying to get HamB mk'd.

Personally, I think this is the conclusion we are meant to reach, and HamB is actually TomB (hey look at that)'s scum partner.

But perhaps that's a bit of a reach.

Fortunately, we have 72+ hours to think about it, with even more info!

now that maybe would explain that scum thought my slot was 3p so they tracked me to prove it and see if maybe itd make ham look townier.
maybe plausible

[damo666]

Code: Select all

Item	        3P Item?	Potential Alignment	Actual Alignment	Possible Starters	Quick Reason
Commute (2)	Y	        Town	                Town	                bonatogether	        Celaph would be alive
Replenisher (2)	N	        Town/Mafia	        Town	                Celaph	                Bob got replenished
Watcher (2)	Y	        Town/Mafia	        Mafia	                Tom/Kaka        	Why hasn't watcher claimed?
Day Kill (1)	N	        Town/3P	                3P	                foodcoats/bozo	        3P stole a required item D2
Mailman	        Y	        Town/Mafia/3P	        Town	                ghug	                "Ghug is mafia"
Day Hammer (1)	N	        Town/Mafia/3P	        Town	                foodcoats/bozo	        Because it hammered Kaka
Bulletproof (2)	N	        Town/Mafia/3P	        Mafia	                Tom/Kaka	        PoE

Thoughts?

FYI The item I inherited from Kak was neither Pico nor Tortilla but he could have been given it D1. But nobodly other than me has claimed getting an item from kak