M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Maniac claimed to have the watcher item, the item we expected the mafia to pick up by shooting ghug. So, why is Vecna still not a 3P suspect?

Nothing. But someone will be Hot Salsaing Vecna tonight, so he'll be clear or revealed afterwards.

Or, Vecna didn't give away his Hot Salsa, which will also reveal him.

I gave it away, dont worry

Great.

[damo666]

We need to consider that 3p will auto win if they survive to the last 2.

The following players are the 3p possibles and must not be allowed to survive beyond the final 3

Bozo
Food
HamBrian
Jamie
Vecna

I invite these 5 players to agree with this statement.

So mr 3p if you think you're hiding by discarding tough.

It would help if the remaining mafia NK from this group.

[damo666]

Nights are long.

[snowy801]

Well, Maniac did kinda say foodcoats is 3P... and he would know, if they shot him D2. Do we believe him?

...strongly consider not saving me, my head hurts

[damo666]

Well, Maniac did kinda say foodcoats is 3P... and he would know, if they shot him D2. Do we believe him?

...strongly consider not saving me, my head hurts

If Jamie has dechickened and Vecna deposited then yes I think food is the natural kill.

[kgray]

Maniac claimed to have the watcher item, the item we expected the mafia to pick up by shooting ghug. So, why is Vecna still not a 3P suspect?

Who said he’s not? Also, what’s the connection between maniac having the watcher item and vecna being 3P?

The theory was that Bonatogether had the commute item, celaph had the gun, and ghug had the watcher item. If the 3P was on Bonatogether's wagon, they would get the commute item, since it a 3P item. Maniac having the watcher item fits with that theory.

So basically the theory is that someone on bona’s wagon is 3P?

[kgray]

He's back off the list....

Aha! Thanks Macca.

Let’s still get Jamie tomorrow.

[bozotheclown]

Who said he’s not? Also, what’s the connection between maniac having the watcher item and vecna being 3P?

The theory was that Bonatogether had the commute item, celaph had the gun, and ghug had the watcher item. If the 3P was on Bonatogether's wagon, they would get the commute item, since it a 3P item. Maniac having the watcher item fits with that theory.

So basically the theory is that someone on bona’s wagon is 3P?

Yes, if that theory is correct. It is based on the assumption that celaph or ghug would have commuted N1 if they had the commute item, or would have claimed receiving a 3P item from Bonatogether D1. We know neither commuted N1 because celaph was NKed and ghug claimed the RB. If either had received a 3P item from Bonatogether, claiming it would immediately clear 7 players from being the 3P, so they likely would have claimed it.

An alternative theory is that ghug was the commuter who did not commute N1 but did commute N2 and was the NK target N2. This would make it possible for Bonatogether to have had the gun, a non-3P item, that went to the mafia through celaph or ghug, or randomly to Maniac N1. Similarly, celaph could have been the commuter who did not commute N1, with the mafia N2 NK RBed or targeting the 3P.

It is also possible that Bonatogether had one of the missing 3P items (commute, watcher, or mail) that went to celaph or ghug, and they did not claim it.

Going back to the first theory, though, it was also based on the assumption that if Bonatogether had a 3P item that it went to Vecna or Maniac because they were the 3P. With Maniac flipping mafia, it is possible that Bonatogether had a 3P item that randomly went to Maniac because the 3P was not on the wagon. I think this is looking more likely.

[bozotheclown]

Bonatogether could also have had the RB item, which Vecna randomly received as mafia, and has used it to clear himself by RBing a mafia NK.

Or, Bonatogether could have had the cop or doctor item, that Maniac received and passed on to damo or rdrivera so they could use them in a town way to clear themselves.

These may not be likely, but they would be impressive mafia plays if they happened.

[foodcoats]

Well, Maniac did kinda say foodcoats is 3P... and he would know, if they shot him D2. Do we believe him?

...strongly consider not saving me, my head hurts

I missed that, where did Maniac call me 3P?

[bozotheclown]

Well, Maniac did kinda say foodcoats is 3P... and he would know, if they shot him D2. Do we believe him?

...strongly consider not saving me, my head hurts

I missed that, where did Maniac call me 3P?

I think with so many people now clear or semi clear we are favourites over the Mafia, but don’t really know where we stand against the 3P.

I’m fairly relaxed about being killed, it’s a team game and as long as we win, that’s fine. I will spend a few minutes defending myself though as I’d sooner not die.

Firstly items do not leave the game. This is important. The 3P can be patient, it’s far better for them to be on the wagon D4 than D1 for example. Towards the end of the game they can pick up multiple items with one right move.

My D1 - I was the counter wagon that made a late move to Bonatogether. Everyone who knows me will know I always argue for making votes count. The end result was 8 v 4, but it was still important to make that safe and save myself. Bonatogether turning up to vote for me and one switch from Bona to me would’ve tied the vote. Those things can happen in last few seconds.

Let’s not forget that two confirmed scum were on my wagon. Yes, people will shout bussing, but scum bus for a reason. There was no good reason to bus here.

D2 is interesting. Foodcoats hammered and helped catch Mafia. That would be such high level bussing that I just don’t think it’s possible he did that. But he did ensure he was able to control a kill and be on the wagon. Possible 3P sign.

Foodcoats also gets mega 3P points for yesterday’s kill. As an unclear there was no good reason why he was on Tom’s wagon.

I know it’s tempting to vote of people who could be 3P or Mafia, but if we’re taking the best option we should be killing 3P today. If we get that right I’m sure we’ll catch Mafia almost be POE. ##voteFoodcoats

Just to answer rdriveria. I think you’re looking at my JOAT play from a results oriented POV. Macca choose the wrong person to challenge. If they had been cop, tracker, watcher or someone with a stone cold read and caught Mafia, I’d be viewed as assisting town Jesus. Mafia start with four items and collected 1 or 2 more when I claimed JOAT. If I’m Mafia why didn’t I fake claim one of the items that Mafia held? One that would semi-clear me of Mafia or 3P?

[damo666]

If J and V both 'clear' themselves the notwithstanding new info my order of killing would be

Food
Jamie
HamB
Vecna
Bozo

Obviously if only one of J and V 'clear ' themselves then kill the other then as above.

In the extraordinary event neither 'clear' themselves then kill V then J then as above.

If I don't survive gl town. It is ours to win.

[snowy801]

All I know is that bozo has a massive and wrinkled brain

[damo666]

All I know is that bozo has a massive and wrinkled brain

All you know?

[foodcoats]

Something that occurs to me is that Hamilton Brian could still be 3P based on his meta. A few games back HB rolled the werewolf but was pretty adamant that he just wanted to help town and wasn’t super into his role. He didn’t play super aggro to his wincon. If HB rolled 3P he could’ve taken the same approach here.

I realize this will now look like I’m flailing for 3Ps, but I’m town and this is a thing I thought, so I’m sharing it.

[snowy801]

All I know is that bozo has a massive and wrinkled brain

All you know?

Yeah I'm not very smart

And foodcoats I'm reconciling that knowledge with the fact that no cheese spun out when he got Hot Salsa's

How does that happen, if HB is 3P?

[damo666]

All I know is that bozo has a massive and wrinkled brain

All you know?

Yeah I'm not very smart

And foodcoats I'm reconciling that knowledge with the fact that no cheese spun out when he got Hot Salsa's

How does that happen, if HB is 3P?

Ah yes. The 3p possibles is down to gang of 4.

HB could be mafia though.

[bozotheclown]

All you know?

Yeah I'm not very smart

And foodcoats I'm reconciling that knowledge with the fact that no cheese spun out when he got Hot Salsa's

How does that happen, if HB is 3P?

Ah yes. The 3p possibles is down to gang of 4.

HB could be mafia though.

The kgray slot is still possible. The way that slot had moved around, there might not have been a steal attempt when tracked by HB. lfischl could have received the fruit vendor item from Bonatogether D1. lfischl could also have started with the gun and picked up the commute item from ghug by shooting him, and kgray could be close to winning as 3P.

[snowy801]

Look at how much trouble ghug is causing by getting his sorry ass shot

Should've just dodged the bullet tbh

[damo666]

Yeah I'm not very smart

And foodcoats I'm reconciling that knowledge with the fact that no cheese spun out when he got Hot Salsa's

How does that happen, if HB is 3P?

Ah yes. The 3p possibles is down to gang of 4.

HB could be mafia though.

The kgray slot is still possible. The way that slot had moved around, there might not have been a steal attempt when tracked by HB. lfischl could have received the fruit vendor item from Bonatogether D1. lfischl could also have started with the gun and picked up the commute item from ghug by shooting him, and kgray could be close to winning as 3P.

Didn't that slot get cheese stolen from them? I guess we only have their word for it though. Add that slot to the 3p list then i guess.