M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

Your overall thoughts are good Macca, but HB cannot(?) be 3P as we Hot Salsa'd him and nothing really came of it. Unless Maniac is scum and is covering for 3P HB... which I confess, is not out of the realms of possibility, now that I mention it.

[snowy801]

I know this will sound dangerous to people, but im still advocating for voting jamiet today, while we know he still has the chicken.

Not because I think he is the 3P really (small small chance only), but because it serves two purposes:

It either confirms the 3P is in the group of 3 were leaving off, or it shows a critical error in our thinking that if proven will cost us the game if we do not kill Jamiet today. By this I mean; if noone on that wagon claims the chicken afterwards, we know we've been wrong on our 3P assumptions and we can actually CLEAR maniac/me/foodcoats off it. Which would be huge.

If it goes as expected and someone claims the chicken, we still have a big win, since we likely killed scum, and it confirms that either foodcoats or maniac is the 3P (see what I did there).

The risky side for all of you, which I know is not really a threat right now, but people are going to be scared of it ofcourse, is that I do a classic vecna if im the 3P and try to swoop the chicken for a small chance to win tonight. This would ofcourse only work if Jamiet is not actually the roleblocker.

Up to y'all if you wanna take that risk. If it works and I clear myself with the item tonight, or let someone else do it, that would confirm the 3P to a very small group of people tomorrow.

This was the original line of thought I had. Voting Jamiet gives us the most long term information, but is offset by risk of immediate loss.

Well, damo, the arguments are in. You've not led us astray yet - what have you?

[snowy801]

Vecna, is there a world where you are not cleared if you self salsa? I don't think so, but I think I'd like to hear it aloud.

[Hamilton Brian]

I think Macca's thinking just represents how dense this setup is. A lot of moving parts and it's taken a lot of effort and interesting play to get even a smidgen of clearances on people.

Imagine not having gotten lucky with the Kak wagon. I think we'd be in a different place at this point.

[TheMadMonarch]

I will likely sleep in a couple hours, so I’ll put this out now.

I’ve taken you through my thought process, but it has holes and I’m not very confident on these reads.

Today, I will be voting on whoever damo and snowy would like me to vote for, based upon n the long-term plans they have.

If I could get instructions by 2pm UTC, that would be great.

Thanks!

[Hamilton Brian]

Voting Jamie pros seem to be:

3P won't get the chicken
Information from the flip including what role is in the 3 not on the wagon


What might the pros for voting Maniac be?

[snowy801]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... nknown.png

The final piece is in, for those of you who like summoning Exodia.

I hope this has been a useful chart, and not led to any weird confirmation biases on a town!Maniac/Jamiet

[snowy801]

Voting Jamie pros seem to be:

3P won't get the chicken
Information from the flip including what role is in the 3 not on the wagon


What might the pros for voting Maniac be?

I think he's 3P. Many other thinks he's mafia. Whatever the case, nobody thinks he's town (except food/Jamiet), which is 8/11.

Voting Jamie pros is actually that:
3P might get chicken, but if they do, we know for sure 3P is not anyone off wagon (you, Vecna, foodcoats, Maniac).

However, if we do get the chicken we are capable of clearing bozo, Macca, damo, rdrivera, Kgray of being 3P. All not people we don't suspect of being 3P, but these are the insidious killers that win the game for non-town.

On the other hand, Vecna might be a God Gamer, swipe the chicken last second, guess the final 3P required item and win tonight (assuming Jamiet is RB).

[snowy801]

Well, technically not clearing them of being 3P. But if we do know where it wound up, and miss every other shot we take at 3P, we'll know eventually who it is, if we haven't lost by that point.

[TheMadMonarch]

Voting Jamie pros seem to be:

3P won't get the chicken
Information from the flip including what role is in the 3 not on the wagon


What might the pros for voting Maniac be?

I think he's 3P. Many other thinks he's mafia. Whatever the case, nobody thinks he's town (except food/Jamiet), which is 8/11.

Voting Jamie pros is actually that:
3P might get chicken, but if they do, we know for sure 3P is not anyone off wagon (you, Vecna, foodcoats, Maniac).

However, if we do get the chicken we are capable of clearing bozo, Macca, damo, rdrivera, Kgray of being 3P. All not people we don't suspect of being 3P, but these are the insidious killers that win the game for non-town.

On the other hand, Vecna might be a God Gamer, swipe the chicken last second, guess the final 3P required item and win tonight (assuming Jamiet is RB).

Incorrect. I just said I did.

[snowy801]

Incorrect. I just said I did.

You have Maniac under mafia... unless I somehow misinterpreted that?
Not sure how I could've.

[Hamilton Brian]

##Vote No-Kill

[snowy801]

Please, if you're off wagon, do not vote no-kill. Self vote.

There is a double vote in potential play.

[TheMadMonarch]

Incorrect. I just said I did.

You have Maniac under mafia... unless I somehow misinterpreted that?
Not sure how I could've.

Nope! I misinterpreted it.

You answered the questions in the opposite order to them being asked. I got confused. It's actually not that hard to notice if you take a second to look. My mistake.

[snowy801]

As to a plan, Macca, I want to hear damo's expert opinion first but if he does not come I will have a unified proposal ready for your perusal by 2 PM.

[TheMadMonarch]

As to a plan, Macca, I want to hear damo's expert opinion first but if he does not come I will have a unified proposal ready for your perusal by 2 PM.

Coolio! If in case I start drifting off before then, where should I put my placeholder vote?

[snowy801]

As to a plan, Macca, I want to hear damo's expert opinion first but if he does not come I will have a unified proposal ready for your perusal by 2 PM.

Coolio! If in case I start drifting off before then, where should I put my placeholder vote?

Uh, I expect either Maniac or Jamiet works. Since you scum read Maniac only, you may as well put it in there for now. I think.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hello. Just got to read up from page 244, give me a moment.

I see we appear to be No-Killing. What happened to the Foodcoats plan?

I assume I will find out as I read.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, technically not clearing them of being 3P. But if we do know where it wound up, and miss every other shot we take at 3P, we'll know eventually who it is, if we haven't lost by that point.

Anyone not mechanically cleared not passing a 3P item around should be instantly day killed by town, no questions asked

[snowy801]

Visualization!

For those of you who like data summaries.

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