M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4521 Post by bozotheclown » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:05 am

Vecna wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:18 pm
This might be a nice little exercise for Bozo. Seeing how he's a prime candidate himself, lets see how convincing he can be.
Why do you think I am a prime candidate for the 3P?

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4522 Post by snowy801 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:06 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:03 am
snowy801 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:01 am
No, Vecna is saying he was scanned by the item, and came out negative (as in town, or 3P immunity)
Ah, I see, thank you very much, Snowy, you've been most helpful. I like this new leaf that you have turned over.

I think I understand now but am waiting for some GM responses.

Do you still think that Maniac is the Third Party?

In any case, I really need to go to sleep.

Laters.
Honestly, I think Maniac is the most likely 3P. But it is nothing near approaching certainty.

I'm currently contemplating what the best questions to hit the heart of the matter may be.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4523 Post by bozotheclown » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:09 am

foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:04 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:02 am
foodcoats wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:55 pm


This reasoning about lfischl/brain/kgray is wrong.

After Kak the item copier died, the item cop has little to no or even negative value to scum, especially if we believe HB is town tracker. No benefit to knowing what items are compared to possibly being tracked.

And, lfischl was on the Bona wagon. It was suggested by someone else that Bona may have been the fruit vendor because he claimed he had not read the setup but said “lol what’s a fruit vendor” or whatever.

Therefore, lfischl/brain/kgray may have inherited cheese - also explaining why it wasn’t used, because Bona started with it - and they may be scum.

Kgray must remain the scum pool by my reckoning.
The mafia can also start with that item. lfischl never posted at night, it is believable that he did not use the item, regardless of his alignment.
Okay my bad, but it doesn’t change the fact that

Kgray is not clear for being tracked N3. She could be item cop.
I agree kgray is not cleared in any way from being mafia. That is why I was OK DKing that slot D2, it is difficult to read now.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4524 Post by snowy801 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:13 am

Speaking of Kgray, I hope they show up with the same fire they demonstrated yesterday.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4525 Post by rdrivera2005 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:25 am

I think we should flip between Maniac or Jamiet today. Both have decent chances to be scum or 3P.

I think giving spinach to Macca isn't a town choice.

##vote Maniac

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4526 Post by snowy801 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:26 am

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:25 am
I think we should flip between Maniac or Jamiet today. Both have decent chances to be scum or 3P.

I think giving spinach to Macca isn't a town choice.

##vote Maniac
What are your considerations for 3P, rdrivera? What flags have you been looking for, and what have you found?

I must confess, it could be anyone.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4527 Post by foodcoats » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:43 am

bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:05 am
Vecna wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:18 pm
This might be a nice little exercise for Bozo. Seeing how he's a prime candidate himself, lets see how convincing he can be.
Why do you think I am a prime candidate for the 3P?
Bozo’s theory may not be all that out there regarding 3P!Vecna.

Only Vecna and damo have been on every wagon. When I played as the 3P/Thanos a while back in the infinity stones game, which worked on similar
principles, I was too cowardly to go on the wagons. Suffice to say I lost. In retrospect I realized as a “collector” 3P I needed to be brazen and get on the wagons. You just wont get there in time to beat town and scum otherwise.

I think if a smart, competent player drew Chaqa, they’d know they had to do this.

Damo has given away rice, though.

Do we know if Vecna had given away any Chaqa ingredients?

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4528 Post by snowy801 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:44 am

foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:43 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:05 am
Vecna wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:18 pm
This might be a nice little exercise for Bozo. Seeing how he's a prime candidate himself, lets see how convincing he can be.
Why do you think I am a prime candidate for the 3P?
Bozo’s theory may not be all that out there regarding 3P!Vecna.

Only Vecna and damo have been on every wagon. When I played as the 3P/Thanos a while back in the infinity stones game, which worked on similar
principles, I was too cowardly to go on the wagons. Suffice to say I lost. In retrospect I realized as a “collector” 3P I needed to be brazen and get on the wagons. You just wont get there in time to beat town and scum otherwise.

I think if a smart, competent player drew Chaqa, they’d know they had to do this.

Damo has given away rice, though.

Do we know if Vecna had given away any Chaqa ingredients?
Vecna has given away Pinto Beans, though that does have a hitherto unclaimed replacement good in Black Beans.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4529 Post by rdrivera2005 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:49 am

snowy801 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:26 am
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:25 am
I think we should flip between Maniac or Jamiet today. Both have decent chances to be scum or 3P.

I think giving spinach to Macca isn't a town choice.

##vote Maniac
What are your considerations for 3P, rdrivera? What flags have you been looking for, and what have you found?

I must confess, it could be anyone.
It's hard to search for 3P because he could scumhunt as a townie and have no additional info so he doesn't need to fake.
I am doing more a exclusion process, looking who can not be 3P. And there is not so many that can't be unfortunately.
My vote in Maniac is because I don't believe he is town.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4530 Post by foodcoats » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:50 am

snowy801 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:44 am
foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:43 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:05 am


Why do you think I am a prime candidate for the 3P?
Bozo’s theory may not be all that out there regarding 3P!Vecna.

Only Vecna and damo have been on every wagon. When I played as the 3P/Thanos a while back in the infinity stones game, which worked on similar
principles, I was too cowardly to go on the wagons. Suffice to say I lost. In retrospect I realized as a “collector” 3P I needed to be brazen and get on the wagons. You just wont get there in time to beat town and scum otherwise.

I think if a smart, competent player drew Chaqa, they’d know they had to do this.

Damo has given away rice, though.

Do we know if Vecna had given away any Chaqa ingredients?
Vecna has given away Pinto Beans, though that does have a hitherto unclaimed replacement good in Black Beans.
Hmm. Probably more sus that Jamie has his chicken still. Maybe.

In any event, Vecna should not be allowed to be on a Jamie wagon.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4531 Post by foodcoats » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:29 am

damo666 wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:16 pm
snowy801 wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:14 pm
Damn, I thought this would happen. I blame damo

Alas, poor Bob.

##vote Maniac
Thanks.

##vote Maniac
Damo and snowy, what was the reasoning of these immediate votes on Maniac?

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#4532 Post by rdrivera2005 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:29 am

Well, if we want to hunt for 3P we should DK Jamiet and only Snowy, Damo, Kgray and HB should be on the wagon, the rest self vote.

Keeping the chicken is not only sus as hell, but completely anti-town. Also, the only one that could be closer to a winning condition as 3-P is Jamiet.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4533 Post by snowy801 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:33 am

foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:29 am
Damo and snowy, what was the reasoning of these immediate votes on Maniac?
The man be Triple P-ing. Which is like Triple H but more Chipotle.

Think about it. Where did bona's item go?

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4534 Post by foodcoats » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:45 am

snowy801 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:33 am
foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:29 am
Damo and snowy, what was the reasoning of these immediate votes on Maniac?
The man be Triple P-ing. Which is like Triple H but more Chipotle.

Think about it. Where did bona's item go?
Hmm. Well it could have wound up with lfischl, or celaph who was then NK’d and went to scum.

What else?

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4535 Post by snowy801 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:47 am

foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:45 am
snowy801 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:33 am
foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:29 am
Damo and snowy, what was the reasoning of these immediate votes on Maniac?
The man be Triple P-ing. Which is like Triple H but more Chipotle.

Think about it. Where did bona's item go?
Hmm. Well it could have wound up with lfischl, or celaph who was then NK’d and went to scum.

What else?
lfischl is confirmed not 3P. celaph would have said, being town.

He's also obviously not town. It's difficult for me to describe my reads; every time it just seems poorly received (even if it's pretty accurate).

Also why I spent most of my time making up some mechanical sounding justification for why Jamiet is scum, when the real answer is "he real scummy"

Uh, I echo rdrivera on this one. Why did they silence town? Why did they throw the town with worst reads in the game the challenge?

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4536 Post by foodcoats » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:06 am

snowy801 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:47 am
foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:45 am
snowy801 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:33 am


The man be Triple P-ing. Which is like Triple H but more Chipotle.

Think about it. Where did bona's item go?
Hmm. Well it could have wound up with lfischl, or celaph who was then NK’d and went to scum.

What else?
lfischl is confirmed not 3P. celaph would have said, being town.

He's also obviously not town. It's difficult for me to describe my reads; every time it just seems poorly received (even if it's pretty accurate).

Also why I spent most of my time making up some mechanical sounding justification for why Jamiet is scum, when the real answer is "he real scummy"

Uh, I echo rdrivera on this one. Why did they silence town? Why did they throw the town with worst reads in the game the challenge?
Yeah, that’s all fair. A Maniac wagon is certainly not a terrible choice. I was thinking that the best wagon would be one where there is intersectionality between chance to be scum and chance to be 3P, and I think the odds are low Maniac is scum…

on the other hand, Jamie might be scum, but I think there’s low likelihood he is 3P for the aggressive 3P push he made on Ghug.

You remind me lfl/kgray can’t really be 3P with the cheese claim, but she can be scum.

Vecna and bozo could marginally be 3P.

Hmm.

So by POE I guess I’m now at kgray Jamie or maaaaaybe HB scum… Maniac… possibly most likely 3P? Although Vecna could totally be 3P also. Bozo seems less likely I just don’t like that bozo has made some arguments that seemed shady.

But yeah I see why we may need to catch 3P now. We can’t risk them getting on a wagon.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4537 Post by foodcoats » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:07 am

And, sorry, what I meant to conclude is that I don’t think there’s a good 3P/scum convergence. Except Maniac if we believe worcej and Kak were willing to get him killed D1. Which… is a viable strategy that has worked.

So Maniac is probably not bad DK.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4538 Post by snowy801 » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:12 am

foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:07 am
And, sorry, what I meant to conclude is that I don’t think there’s a good 3P/scum convergence. Except Maniac if we believe worcej and Kak were willing to get him killed D1. Which… is a viable strategy that has worked.

So Maniac is probably not bad DK.
Well, you keep thinking about it, and let me know if you have any questions.

The solution seems fairly obvious, but reproducing it is an inherently useful exercise.

Of course, there's nothing that says I can't be wrong, I suppose...

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4539 Post by bozotheclown » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:28 am

snowy801 wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:33 am
foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:29 am
Damo and snowy, what was the reasoning of these immediate votes on Maniac?
The man be Triple P-ing. Which is like Triple H but more Chipotle.

Think about it. Where did bona's item go?
It could have gone to Vecna (or Maniac), and if it is the item I think it is, it would allow Vecna to give away his RB item.

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#4540 Post by bozotheclown » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:34 am

foodcoats wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:43 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:05 am
Vecna wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:18 pm
This might be a nice little exercise for Bozo. Seeing how he's a prime candidate himself, lets see how convincing he can be.
Why do you think I am a prime candidate for the 3P?
Bozo’s theory may not be all that out there regarding 3P!Vecna.

Only Vecna and damo have been on every wagon. When I played as the 3P/Thanos a while back in the infinity stones game, which worked on similar
principles, I was too cowardly to go on the wagons. Suffice to say I lost. In retrospect I realized as a “collector” 3P I needed to be brazen and get on the wagons. You just wont get there in time to beat town and scum otherwise.

I think if a smart, competent player drew Chaqa, they’d know they had to do this.

Damo has given away rice, though.

Do we know if Vecna had given away any Chaqa ingredients?
I agree this is the way the 3P would need to play, which is the main reason I suspect Vecna over Maniac for 3P, although I do think Maniac is probably mafia.

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