M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

Also, snowy, Bob is actually quite a convincing scum player I think. One of the better ones around here.

Does that pique your interest?

Vecna, given you think Bob is one of the most convincing scum players on WD, what made you confident enough to slot him as your top town read?

Because he is much more flawed this game

[Hamilton Brian]

I propose a new Bozo style game.

Answer the following: If I were scum who would I NK tonight?

I'll kick off.

If I were scum I would NK Bob.

If I were scum, I think I'd be aiming at Vecna. Or Celaph. Why? Matter of fact material not attributing too much to confusion/questionable takes (a la Bozo or Snowy, no offense to either).

[Vecna]

Also, to anyone with the watcher item:

Take into consideration its quite likely the 3P will be trying to steal items from players that are much more likely to be the NK.

If the person stolen from dies as well during the night, the theft cannot be claimed, and the 3P might get items that can fake-townclear him.

(Ergo, I believe its very possible I was visited during the day. Normally id believe the same applies to Snowy, but he's much less likely to be NK'd N1 here. Bob wouldve also made for a decent target).

[damo666]

It would cause confusion. Confusion is good for scum.

Good answer. Town points.

The Vecna suggestion is weak however. A likely docsave target and therefore a poor choice from scum pov.

HOWEVER, Vecna asked for a docsave which pinged me as possibly suss.

Why is it possibly sus, and on what is the possibly conditional?

I think both answers are obvious.

[damo666]

i was actually thinking this might have a realistic chance of happening for the first time
i would probably nk vecna

Thank you. I hope people participate to such an extent that non participation will look suspicious. In fact people making further posts this night and ignore my request will be regarded with a frowny face.

How much of a frowny face? One of these ? Or more ?

[Hamilton Brian]

Also, to anyone with the watcher item:

Take into consideration its quite likely the 3P will be trying to steal items from players that are much more likely to be the NK.

If the person stolen from dies as well during the night, the theft cannot be claimed, and the 3P might get items that can fake-townclear him.

(Ergo, I believe its very possible I was visited during the day. Normally id believe the same applies to Snowy, but he's much less likely to be NK'd N1 here. Bob wouldve also made for a decent target).

I've got to deconstruct your words here, but I need to do it in context of reading the setup again.

[BobMcBob]

whered you go snowy?
you picked one post to reply to and it wasnt even a good one
i had a question for you and everything

[Vecna]

Good answer. Town points.

The Vecna suggestion is weak however. A likely docsave target and therefore a poor choice from scum pov.

HOWEVER, Vecna asked for a docsave which pinged me as possibly suss.

Why is it possibly sus, and on what is the possibly conditional?

I think both answers are obvious.

No theyre not

[Hamilton Brian]

I kind of agree with Vecna, Damo. Spell it out.

Just looking at the setup to clarify this...

Chaqa scans as innocent; can target person to see what item they have in the day, at night choose player and specific item to steal it.

If Chaqa is on the DK wagon and that person had one of Chaqa’s victory items, Chaqa automatically gets it.

Do we see Chaqa make sure to get on each DK wagon? Sorry if this was covered before.

[Jamiet99uk]

Do we see Chaqa make sure to get on each DK wagon? Sorry if this was covered before.

I don't understand this question.
Could you rephrase it?

[Hamilton Brian]

Do we see Chaqa make sure to get on each DK wagon? Sorry if this was covered before.

I don't understand this question.
Could you rephrase it?

If 3P/Chaqa is on the DK wagon and the DK has one of the items needed for Chaqa to win and 3P automatically gets that item, would 3P consistently jump to the lead wagon to hope to get the item?

[Jamiet99uk]

Do we see Chaqa make sure to get on each DK wagon? Sorry if this was covered before.

I don't understand this question.
Could you rephrase it?

If 3P/Chaqa is on the DK wagon and the DK has one of the items needed for Chaqa to win and 3P automatically gets that item, would 3P consistently jump to the lead wagon to hope to get the item?

Not necessarily. They would have some incentive to do it, but they also might not want to draw attention to themselves. It depends how they want to play.

[damo666]

Why is it possibly sus, and on what is the possibly conditional?

I think both answers are obvious.

No theyre not

OK perhaps 'possibly sus' is sloppy.

It can be interpreted as suspicious (unconditionally). Whether the suspicion is justified is of course dependent on your alignment.

Better?

[Jamiet99uk]

@HB: To be clear, you seem to be asking "how would the Third Party play?" and I don't think anyone who is not the Third Party can give a conclusive answer on that point.

[Hamilton Brian]

@HB: To be clear, you seem to be asking "how would the Third Party play?" and I don't think anyone who is not the Third Party can give a conclusive answer on that point.

Not really asking how they would play. Just looking at it from an investigative/speculative lens. Just opens up the inquiry into Vecna, Bob, damo, lfischl, snowy, ghug, celaph, maniac being on the wagon at day's end.

[snowy801]

Since we're on the topic of items, would anyone argue that it is strictly detrimental to individually choose to reveal their item, if they wanted to?

[Jamiet99uk]

Since we're on the topic of items, would anyone argue that it is strictly detrimental to individually choose to reveal their item, if they wanted to?

Somewhat, since it helps the Third Party, no?

[Jamiet99uk]

@HB: To be clear, you seem to be asking "how would the Third Party play?" and I don't think anyone who is not the Third Party can give a conclusive answer on that point.

Not really asking how they would play. Just looking at it from an investigative/speculative lens. Just opens up the inquiry into Vecna, Bob, damo, lfischl, snowy, ghug, celaph, maniac being on the wagon at day's end.

Well, it's a possibility.
But I don't think it's conclusive.

[damo666]

@HB: To be clear, you seem to be asking "how would the Third Party play?" and I don't think anyone who is not the Third Party can give a conclusive answer on that point.

Not really asking how they would play. Just looking at it from an investigative/speculative lens. Just opens up the inquiry into Vecna, Bob, damo, lfischl, snowy, ghug, celaph, maniac being on the wagon at day's end.

After say day 3 I would look closely at anybody on say 2 or 3 of the dk wagons. Conversely anyone off all 3 is very unlikely to be 3p (but could easily be maf).

[BobMcBob]

@HB: To be clear, you seem to be asking "how would the Third Party play?" and I don't think anyone who is not the Third Party can give a conclusive answer on that point.

Not really asking how they would play. Just looking at it from an investigative/speculative lens. Just opens up the inquiry into Vecna, Bob, damo, lfischl, snowy, ghug, celaph, maniac being on the wagon at day's end.

its possible chaqa was already on bona when it took off
its possible they joined in the flurry toward the end
its possible they didnt join because they didnt get the chance or it would be too suspicious
its hard to say