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Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:14 pm

We’re at 8 players, 4 town 3 mafia 1 jester

We are mathematically unable to win, which is why it was a good idea to not vote yesterday, and especially it was dumb to vote for Snowy. Very disappointed in everyone else

Our only chance is a tie today with a doc save tomorrow, which doesn’t even help us win. So we can’t win.

Game should be over.

Ghug, is Chaqa right? Is the game over? Are we only allowed one miskill?

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:21 pm

Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:21 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:09 pm

Bozo is scanned guilty as mafia by Rivera.

TLDR:

Bozo->Mafia
Rivera->Cop
Ghug->Jester

Damo, Vecna->Likely mafia

Did I miss this too? Ghug has proclaimed himself Jester?
Rivera said he was cop?

Yes and yes.

You really missed like the whole game.

I didn't remember what was the last page I read, so I just read the last 4 pages... that is how I missed it. I am on the West Coast, so I was in the middle of work. Not evening time like for the Brits.

Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:23 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:21 pm

Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:21 pm

Did I miss this too? Ghug has proclaimed himself Jester?
Rivera said he was cop?

Yes and yes.

You really missed like the whole game.

I didn't remember what was the last page I read, so I just read the last 4 pages... that is how I missed it. I am on the West Coast, so I was in the middle of work. Not evening time like for the Brits.

Both of those happened before the end of the last day lol

It’s fine. Whatever.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:14 pm

We’re at 8 players, 4 town 3 mafia 1 jester

We are mathematically unable to win, which is why it was a good idea to not vote yesterday, and especially it was dumb to vote for Snowy. Very disappointed in everyone else

Our only chance is a tie today with a doc save tomorrow, which doesn’t even help us win. So we can’t win.

Game should be over.

GM Note:
I'll concede you're pretty much right with this. Considering it's a mini-mafia game, I'll just go ahead and call it as a Mafia and Jester Win.

Mafia was Vecna, Damo, and Bozo.
Jester was ghug
Doctor was JBH
Cop was RDR.

My thoughts:

1. For the most part, the town were pretty damn accurate with reads and figuring out who the scum were here. Very few bad reads honestly.
2. Yes, the setup is designed to be incredibly swingy and it's just a mini-game so don't hold it into much regard. Realizing you had limited chances was a part of the towny mindset that should've been factored in, but most of the town failed to do so.
3. That being said, rdr had a guilty on bozo (great move) but also softed it and didn't come forward swiftly (bad move), making the validity of his claim questionable and resulted in bozo getting away with his fake claim when he was near the chopping block.
4. JBH also could've been the hero, but became a zero, by having a save setup for HB and then moved it to himself. Insert sad face here.

GAME HAS ENDED.

Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:21 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:09 pm

Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:08 pm

Ok, so I know some of you were mad at me for not voting the clown or Snowy. I think the clown is the jester, Snowy I thought wasn't mafia.

Stay mad though.

Chaquito was right, I missed the page where Bozo very boldly said he was the cop. Totally missed that page. Crazy. Well, I think he is the jester. But I am likely wrong.

Bozo is scanned guilty as mafia by Rivera.

TLDR:

Bozo->Mafia
Rivera->Cop
Ghug->Jester

Damo, Vecna->Likely mafia

Did I miss this too? Ghug has proclaimed himself Jester?
Rivera said he was cop?

Do you know why ghug is claiming jester?

GT: https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/Hau48Cy3LsY

Having processed it while watching, the Jester was definitely in position to be a kingmaker if left alive past D1 and only a couple of people picked that up.

I have more thoughts on the God QT if you all want to read it:

https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/Hau48Cy3LsY

All in all, I think this was an exciting game. I understand that it ended in a frustrating note but I had a banger of a time while I still lived. Had I been more cognizant of my impending death I should've realized that my reads + Hamilton parking on me + setup means I die d2 no matter what I do, but I'm afraid I was also at work and there was nothing to be done about it anyway.

I do want to point out that people like food and HB shouldn't be overly criticized for their fatal error: it's a learning experience, and they did their best.

JBH: saying "I know nothing" and meaning "I know nothing" are very different things. You should at least attempt to get a cursory idea of how this set up works, and what is happening in the game. To do otherwise is to do disservice to literally everyone else who signed up to this game.

gg!

oh, we were handed the win

Technically it wasnt over yet. If we killed ghug today, or tied the vote, a docsave wouldve still won town the game.

But....im fine with this outcome

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:36 pm

oh, we were handed the win

Technically it wasnt over yet. If we killed ghug today, or tied the vote, a docsave wouldve still won town the game.

But....im fine with this outcome

You're kinda right.

A tied vote today would just make it easier for you to win. You would've had 3 people to guess who the doctor is. If you succeeded in a kill, it would've been 3-3-1 and then you win. If you failed to kill, it would've just been 4-3-1 still and we repeat until you win.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:36 pm

oh, we were handed the win

Technically it wasnt over yet. If we killed ghug today, or tied the vote, a docsave wouldve still won town the game.

But....im fine with this outcome

If ghug died today, you then would be at 4-3 into the night and if the doctor missed, you win.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:36 pm

oh, we were handed the win

Technically it wasnt over yet. If we killed ghug today, or tied the vote, a docsave wouldve still won town the game.

But....im fine with this outcome

A tie wouldn't have changed anything. A ghugkill and a docsave was an out for town, which would have been funny.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:36 pm

oh, we were handed the win

Technically it wasnt over yet. If we killed ghug today, or tied the vote, a docsave wouldve still won town the game.

But....im fine with this outcome

I confess I don't have the time or the will to keep playing, even if there was a small chance. I probably handled badly my claim, so I take my share of the blame.

Sorry for not entering orders at night but I knew the scumteam so it won't make any difference.

And I stand to what I said yesterday. I won't play again with people who refuse to learn how to play. Being wrong is part of the learning experience but if you refuse to understand how the game works you will never learn and will just screw the game to the others.

The setup is really hard for town, I think the Jester isn't really an interesting role, you have basically an auto win as Jester, maybe it could be better if you have to be DKed on the first two days otherwise you become town, this could make it more interesting and balanced and allow for interesting play.

well played btw snowy, you were sick

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:52 pm

well played btw snowy, you were sick

Hey man, I caught you too.

I still dont know wtf I was thinking, trying to claim Bozo was tunneling in a non-scummy way lol

I love that I spent the whole night thinking that Chaqa was going to try to work with scum to deny me a victory out of spite, and mafia spent the whole night thinking that the entire town was going to jester claim.

The game was over. Optimal scum play is to agree with jester to no vote until a NK succeeds, then vote out jester. Mathematically guaranteed.

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:52 pm

well played btw snowy, you were sick

Always am.
Some day people will see the pattern.

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:51 pm

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:36 pm

oh, we were handed the win

Technically it wasnt over yet. If we killed ghug today, or tied the vote, a docsave wouldve still won town the game.

But....im fine with this outcome

I confess I don't have the time or the will to keep playing, even if there was a small chance. I probably handled badly my claim, so I take my share of the blame.

Sorry for not entering orders at night but I knew the scumteam so it won't make any difference.

And I stand to what I said yesterday. I won't play again with people who refuse to learn how to play. Being wrong is part of the learning experience but if you refuse to understand how the game works you will never learn and will just screw the game to the others.

The setup is really hard for town, I think the Jester isn't really an interesting role, you have basically an auto win as Jester, maybe it could be better if you have to be DKed on the first two days otherwise you become town, this could make it more interesting and balanced and allow for interesting play.

I won't feature a jester in any game I ever make again.

This game was also an experiment on the no talking during night phases, which I like personally, but would only do in games with 48 hour day phases - it did allow some people to keep up and I think that's good to see.