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rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:56 am

ghug wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:13 am

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:34 am

optimal town play was to take a rose the only reason anyone wouldve taken a gun as town was to give town a 1 shot vig

were all on the same page on that right?

I mean I think optimal town play was to take a rose if you thought people were going to mostly take guns.

I think now we'd probably prefer a few more town guns, but such is life.

Why you prefer more town guns? Why you want vigs around when you also said Vigs have a bad habit to shoot town?

I didn't say that.

They do, but a well used vig can resolve players that need resolving, which is good whether they're scum or not.

Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:24 pm

Why vote so dang early?

You seem to have figured it out, but votes can change until the very last moment of the game, yes. Also, perhaps the best time to draw out comments are from a day 1 newbie, where they have no idea what's going on and cannot be coached by more experienced players at night.

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:24 pm

snowy, what were you suggesting about Chaqa's post by writing this?

My apologies, that was more of a response to Jamiet than Chaqa and I quoted the wrong one. I was simply indicating that his idea of a "policy vote" is rather pathetic, perhaps in an attempt to discourage it, though I have no particular reason to be against it at this current time except my own ego.

But on Chaqa's point, I do agree that brainbomb is not a confirmed gun drawer, and that Jamiet's insistence on the fact balloons to the ludicrous. Perhaps it is indicative, I'm digesting the entire bb-jamiet discussion still.

I am in agreement with brainbomb's sentiment that the decisions of this game should be contained to the content of this threat, yet I struggle to reconcile that with the sheer hypocrisy of his constantly comparing current events to past references that only a select few people get and never bothering to explain. That is the worst of gatekeeping and elitism, and it makes you a bad person. Feel bad.

worcej, I observe that every single one of your 11 posts thus far is about brainbomb, or a response to someone's claims about brainbomb.

How then, if I may, do you feel about rdrivera's claim that a:

"This wagon on Brain is utterly bullshit. Bbs answer to the wagon is another bullshit, which makes me puzzled."

and b:

"
I disliked Food vote on Brain as how on Earth he assumed Brain hardclaimed a gun?... ##vote Food"

foodcoats wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:45 am

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:41 am

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:17 am

Could somebody please post the claims.

Chaqa claims a gun
PE claims a vest

Brainbomb claimed he would take a gun 100% as either alignment, in the signup thread, but has not confirmed in the game thread whether he did so or not.

Those are the claims I'm aware of.

ghug also seemed to have suggested he has a gun by saying something like “a vanilla game where I have a gun is great,” but that may not have been a claim or even intended as one.

Fascinating

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am

Thus it still remains the case that in the pool of:

Brainbomb
Ghug
Chaqa

There must be at least one scum.

Purely on the numbers I can't see a good reason to vote outside that pool today.

If all are telling the truth, yes. Town taking a n2 or n3 rose could claim gun D1 to draw the NK. I suspect at least one of these 3 have done just that.

Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:24 pm

Why vote so dang early? Shouldn't we wait until we have more of a clue? Well, I don't think there are any clues to be had. In my case, I am only trying to discern personalities... hard to separate that from clues. You guys know each other.

I am honored that someone thinks me worthy of a vote. This game is nuts, and I think it is stacked against the town all the time.

I wonder, how often does the town win? Do they ever win?

And he changes his tune to town defeatism after I say people are likely to underestimate their own team's chances.

I also seem to have changed my vote to foodcoats via quoting, but I am going to remain on this wagon for the time being.

No mistakes you see, just happy little accidents.

[unrelated, has anyone noted the sheer size of the rose images as rendered by the MafiaBot? http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... =foodcoats]

Johnny Big Horse wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:29 pm

This is why I think Ghug is worthy of a vote.

Why would Ghug ask me what I think? I am obviously a newbie who doesn't know jack squat. Best thing for scum to do is add further confusion and noise coming from an idiot (me, at this point). The only reason I think this, is that having played Avalon, when I was new, this is exactly what happened to me. The enemy would try to get me into the conversation. I would talk as if I knew something, and further confuse things.

It may be that Ghug is just an inclusive person. If so, and if I am wrong, I apologize, but I think you worthy of my vote.

Then vote me, coward.

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:54 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:49 pm

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:34 pm

Due to game size, I reconsidered my pregame promise. I will not say what I chose.

But I was quite aware that me being a hero is a hell of a lot less important than me just doing the right thing. Doesnt mean I picked a rose, doesn't mean I picked a gun. Just means I certainly was aware that we could win this game without any kill power.

This would've been much better to say before going on your flip out.

This post is incredibly townie to me and I would've towned you right away if you approached the situation accordingly.

The point is that I shouldnt have to risk elaborating further on my item. no one else has too so neither should I. regardless of if I said I was the pope in pregame. regardless of if I said Im charlemagne, regardless of if I stripped naked on tik tok with a rose in my mouth and said “this ones for you town”.

It didnt happen in this game it was pregame jabber. you should know better than to extend the game itself into outside channels. Im not saying the case on me is illegal but it isnt fair either. I deserve to be read the same way youd evaluate anyone. Gaming the situation to eliminate me is cheap and if I was truly scum you should want a damn good reason to remove me for something scummy im actually doing. not something scummy I implied in a vaccuum elsewhere

Okay, dude, no. You can't tell other people they should know better than to extend the game into pregame chatter when you're the one who did that.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:32 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am

Thus it still remains the case that in the pool of:

Brainbomb
Ghug
Chaqa

There must be at least one scum.

Purely on the numbers I can't see a good reason to vote outside that pool today.

If all are telling the truth, yes. Town taking a n2 or n3 rose could claim gun D1 to draw the NK. I suspect at least one of these 3 have done just that.

You do realize ive not claimed a gun right? Is this fishing for clarity or just general banter?

either way its pretty boring

ghug wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:42 pm

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:54 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:49 pm

This would've been much better to say before going on your flip out.

This post is incredibly townie to me and I would've towned you right away if you approached the situation accordingly.

The point is that I shouldnt have to risk elaborating further on my item. no one else has too so neither should I. regardless of if I said I was the pope in pregame. regardless of if I said Im charlemagne, regardless of if I stripped naked on tik tok with a rose in my mouth and said “this ones for you town”.

It didnt happen in this game it was pregame jabber. you should know better than to extend the game itself into outside channels. Im not saying the case on me is illegal but it isnt fair either. I deserve to be read the same way youd evaluate anyone. Gaming the situation to eliminate me is cheap and if I was truly scum you should want a damn good reason to remove me for something scummy im actually doing. not something scummy I implied in a vaccuum elsewhere

Okay, dude, no. You can't tell other people they should know better than to extend the game into pregame chatter when you're the one who did that.

You of all people should want the game to be rooted in ingame substance

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:32 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am

Thus it still remains the case that in the pool of:

Brainbomb
Ghug
Chaqa

There must be at least one scum.

Purely on the numbers I can't see a good reason to vote outside that pool today.

If all are telling the truth, yes. Town taking a n2 or n3 rose could claim gun D1 to draw the NK. I suspect at least one of these 3 have done just that.

Drawing the kill on N1 when they're not immune to the kill?

That is the worst of gatekeeping and elitism, and it makes you a bad person. Feel bad.

I can dispense with any reads based on meta just for you lil buddy

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:46 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:32 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:01 am

Thus it still remains the case that in the pool of:

Brainbomb
Ghug
Chaqa

There must be at least one scum.

Purely on the numbers I can't see a good reason to vote outside that pool today.

If all are telling the truth, yes. Town taking a n2 or n3 rose could claim gun D1 to draw the NK. I suspect at least one of these 3 have done just that.

Drawing the kill on N1 when they're not immune to the kill?

This is a good point,
Hamilton.

brainbomb wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:50 pm

That is the worst of gatekeeping and elitism, and it makes you a bad person. Feel bad.

I can dispense with any reads based on meta just for you lil buddy

It is perfectly fine to meta read. That you do not explain the nature of your meta read is the problem.

For example:

Johnny Big Horse reminds me a little of gimix last game- but with no saddle

Something like this is fine, if a little sparse in information:

essentially Eden may just be the damo of last game.
enters the game scummy from the start with few directions to go.

Damo is being fairly useless today.
The problem is,
Damo being fairly useless D1 is not alignment indicative, it's just
Damo-indicative.

@EMC:

Please do more.

And by "more" I mean "something".

I'm worried that all this attention to the pre-game talk has clouded the game.

I don't think anyone would be justifed in claiming an item, although there have been some claims. Why? If it's a clever "fool mafia" ruse, then awesome.

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:42 am

Good night fellow town cops and some bad guys.

This wagon on Brain is utterly bullshit. Bbs answer to the wagon is another bullshit, which makes me puzzled.

Anyone that found weird that many roses is either scum or stupid as the rational thing to do as town is to choose a rose.

I really dislike the PE entrance and his condescending post to Brain.

I disliked Food vote on Brain as how on Earth he assumed Brain hardclaimed a gun?

I dislike Ghug and Chaqa claiming a gun, but at same time it's a bold move to do as scum.

I liked Macca's entrance.

##vote Food

None of these observations seem outrageous nor abnormal for rdr to come into a game with.

So anyone NOT using a placeholder vote want to explain, or are they all temporary?

Snowy, what do you dislike about foodcoats?

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:49 am

And with out number of roses, I think we win simply waiting scum out, right?

Not sure I've seen Rivera come in so emphatic on a D1 but I'd agree that the BB wagon is BS. But, stop grabbing for all that rope.

Can you elaborate on 'waiting scum out' and what you actually mean by that?