M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[damo666]

A tie is pretty bad as it only let scum to choose another town to kill.

This confirms rdr as scum. Cannot explain now but whoever the town on ghug is should switch to rdr now.

I will NOT move my vote just because you say I should, especially when you won't explain why - that's hella scummy.

Work it out. A tie provides excellent info to all townies.

[e.m.c^42]

Hi emc

Rejoyce, darlin'

EMC has been swayed to sit on your buddy.

[worcej]

This confirms rdr as scum. Cannot explain now but whoever the town on ghug is should switch to rdr now.

I will NOT move my vote just because you say I should, especially when you won't explain why - that's hella scummy.

Work it out. A tie provides excellent info to all townies.

Does it - Scum just no kill and our hand gets forced another phase.

[worcej]

Calling ghug voters.

Who's his partner?

You know what, will take gamble and switch to ##vote rdr then, with how things went when I was asleep a "let's bus each other" scenario seems more likely.

FFS, you show up after your nap and think rdr is scum bussing ghug?

[damo666]

I will NOT move my vote just because you say I should, especially when you won't explain why - that's hella scummy.

Work it out. A tie provides excellent info to all townies.

Does it - Scum just no kill and our hand gets forced another phase.

If we get to night I will explain.

[worcej]

Work it out. A tie provides excellent info to all townies.

Does it - Scum just no kill and our hand gets forced another phase.

If we get to night I will explain.

How absolutely dense do you take me as?

Serious question.

[e.m.c^42]

Calling ghug voters.

Who's his partner?

You know what, will take gamble and switch to ##vote rdr then, with how things went when I was asleep a "let's bus each other" scenario seems more likely.

FFS, you show up after your nap and think rdr is scum bussing ghug?

No I think it's not at all unlikely they are bussing each other.

[damo666]

Does it - Scum just no kill and our hand gets forced another phase.

If we get to night I will explain.

How absolutely dense do you take me as?

Serious question.

Well don't discuss it then.

[ghug]

I look at you through the lens of a smart player. You weren't as blatant as your quote was, but you kept your options open to not be forced into a vote.

Also, 'struggling to see a world where Chaqa isn't scum' isn't genuine to me because of how much you poked holes in other's theories and reasoning. You agreed on the concept of him being scum a couple of times, yet attacked reasoning as people were trying to explain and draw up more support to kill Chaqa when he wasn't the lead wagon yet.

And the rdr push by you wasn't supposed to get rdr to move, but get others like myself to do so. I can easily see you trying to manipulate my line of thinking by attacking my reasoning to a point of getting me to sheep.

Can you point to examples other than y'all's criticism of his HB vote where I did this? I picked at one argument I had a problem with, and I think you latched onto that and are now remembering it as more than it was.

Here are some examples of posts I don't like:

I'm feeling like there's a pretty decent chance of a Chaqa/rdr scum pairing.

rdr was softly townreading/defending/advocating against killing Chaqa until Chaqa voted HB yesterday, saying he was hesitant to join a wagon with rd on it. At that point, he suddenly flipped, and was convinced Chaqa needed to go. Chaqa, for his part, has had a pretty static and underexplained scumread on rd for much of the game.

1. We know rd and Chaqa both like to bus.
2. Chaqa likes to bus early and often with a good amount of theater, knowing he'll be largely ignored. rd is a little more cautious about it, waiting until later in the game, or when there's a necessity (writing is on the wall like me and damo last game, or he doesn't want to be pushing a town miskill with a buddy).
3. rd likes to get very indignant at the people who aren't scumreading his teammate once he's bussing (see Vecna last game).
4. The whole change in direction, along with his logic around it (not very aggressively trying to actually kill Chaqa, scumreading me for not going along with it) is hard for me to see coming from a rational townie.

This was the last post of N3, where you finger point to both Chaqa and rdr as a pair. It's enough sound reasoning to think you're solving and pointing at rdr for 'suddenly' scumming Chaqa when Chaqa did his bad move to HB. Having the context now, it looks bad and appears to me that you were trying to setup the next day's push for rdr.

RD and Celaph

##VOTE Celaph

Are you more confident in celaph than rd?

This post was made after JBH moved off rdr and onto celaph, furthering the Chaqa wagon along to up by 2 votes. I interpret it as an attempt to sow doubt into JBH, who had seemed to be following your lead up until this point.

Yes, but I also have spoken numerously about the 3 gun scum team. That completes my scum read of Chaqa.

Right, and the fact that you still don't understand the benefit to withholding either means you're scum with Chaqa and didn't have the opportunity to withhold, or you're town.

I'm only taking issue with the fact that you agree with rd's logic. Usually I can follow his logic. The fact that I can't and you can here suggests that he's not thinking.

This post may not be valid to the question, but I felt you were trying to say rdr and myself both were not thinking and were attacking our process of analyzing Chaqa as scum. It's a subtle at us and throwing shade into our reasoning enough to try to sow doubt into the remaining town players to not follow along with our thinking, which ultimately turned out to be correct.

None of these posts are relevant to the question. Maybe the JBH one kind of is? They're also all things rd did too (setting me up for the next day, questioning JBH, shading people he's scumreading).

[worcej]

This is such horseshit annoying garbage.

I know I am town and therefor have to consolidate with my other town players to make this happen. A scum player is in the line of fire right now for sure and my reading points the gun at ghug over rdr, yet there is no way all the town thinks this way.

Having not been in milo/lilo in games lately, I forgot how much this sucks.

[dargorygel]

The Previously Unemployed Zookeeper enters the room… scanning briefly for the parrot, the squirrel, and the cat. Seeing none, instead PUZ painstakingly tallies the total tallymarks totalling the total tallies to this toint.

VOTE COUNT 5.02
rdrivera2005: (4) Johnny Big Horse, damo666, ghug, e.m.c^42
ghug: (2) rdrivera2005, worcej

Rdivera is being sent up the river.

One day and 18 minutes remain.

[ghug]

I feel like scum emc doesn't bus rd here.

[damo666]

What darg?

[worcej]

Rdivera is being sent up the river.

One day and 18 minutes remain.

##Call GM: 99.9% sure this is a typo, but want to verify so I can actually do work right now for my employer and not be frantically re-reading rdr and ghug.

[damo666]

Just 13 minutes, no?

[ghug]

Vecna's here too, which suggests to me they know it's EoD.

[rdrivera2005]

Great job letting Ghug win this. I can't do nothing more then I did.

Damo, this blame is yours.

I won't be back as I need to take my daughter at dance class.

Good work scumbos.

[Vecna]

##GM NOTE

It was a typo. EoD in 10 minutes

[worcej]

##vote rdr

I'm town. If we're wrong, it isn't only me. And I'll also do my best to not pull a Jamie based on results.

[Vecna]

Last vote-count:

Rdrivera (4): JBH, damo, Ghug, EMC
Ghug (2): RdR, Worcej

9 minutes remaining