M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

On #3 - I messed with you once about it and then corrected my behavior a long time ago. Why would I try to use this with a new person when it's been years since I did it once?

It seems like a really bad stretch to try to connect me to JBH for some reason.

You might do that if you were coaching him on how to rile me up, to create a big argument and generate ample smoke and heat, like I described.

Take yourself out of the equation for a moment. What do you think of JBH? What do you think of his case against me?

[Jamiet99uk]

I've thought of another one.

Chaqa gun n1 shoots snowy n1 rose. Scum also use factional kill on snowy. Jamie falsely claims to have been shot.

On n2 scum factionally kill snowy, Jamie gun n2 shoots JBH rose n2 and Damo gun n2 shoots PE.

That works. So, JBH do you think scum used both a gun and a factional kill on Snowy n1?

Except that Snowy claimed to have only been shot once.

This.

If you are shot, you are told if it was one bullet, or multiple.

[Jamiet99uk]

I suspect Jamie and I are both alive specifically to push these theories. I don't know if Johnny is being coached, but I'm back to sort of thinking we need to flip him now in case the worst-case scenario is true.

Johnny today then Worc or Rivera or Hamilton tomorrow?

Johnny today then EMC or Worcej tomorrow.

[Jamiet99uk]

##GM Note:

Everyone intending to fire a gun tonight, or analyze the potential onslaught about to unfold, take kind notice of the flavor reveal rules in the rules section.

Some might be slightly irregular, and/or influence your choices.

In case anything is unclear, the TLDR is pretty much; Flavor will specify whether 1, or more than 1 shots are fired. Flavor will specify the same for the number of bullets that hit a dying target. Flavor will not reveal whether people survived gunshots due to roses, but in some cases you might use common sense to make obvious deductions.

Hopefully you're all still completely happy with your pre-game item selection.

This post is just a general reminder, and no inference should be made based on it of what items were or were not picked.

Bold and underlined would merit truth to the Jamie being shot, which makes him highly likely to be town.

I had to dig to ensure my line of thought was correct or not, turns out it wasn't.

Ok, thanks.

[Chaqa]

##Vote Johnny Big Horse

I'm fine with him or Hamilton here tbh

[Jamiet99uk]

Here comes Johnny Regular Sized Horse.

@Johnny, please answer Damo's question. Thanks.

[Johnny Big Horse]

I've thought of another one.

Chaqa gun n1 shoots snowy n1 rose. Scum also use factional kill on snowy. Jamie falsely claims to have been shot.

On n2 scum factionally kill snowy, Jamie gun n2 shoots JBH rose n2 and Damo gun n2 shoots PE.

That works. So, JBH do you think scum used both a gun and a factional kill on Snowy n1?

Guys, here you have me. I am not that clever about the game. Not at all. So I cannot answer this question. I don't have the bandwidth to do whatever analysis is necessary. I am going on gut, and I found facts to back it up. So, no I cannot answer your question. I just don't understand the game enough. Sorry.

Worcej, they claimed you are coaching me. You know that is false. So why would you agree with Damo and Jamie. They are throwing all kinds of fake theories at the wall, hoping some will stick in someone's mind. It is Damo, Jamie and Chaqa. They are the mafia.

I thought Riveria was mafia at one point, because he pounced on my chaqa Jaime Night 1 diversion. I am not sure about Brainbomb and his replacement.

But Hamilton? Why? I am sure his votes will all go elsewhere later. Maybe to me.

You townies are shooting yourselves in the foot by killing me. I am town. Big mistake. But do as you will. I follow Eden. He died, I will too.

[Jamiet99uk]

**A tiny violin plays a sobbing melody**

[Jamiet99uk]

Worcej, they claimed you are coaching me. You know that is false. So why would you agree with Damo and Jamie. They are throwing all kinds of fake theories at the wall, hoping some will stick in someone's mind. It is Damo, Jamie and Chaqa. They are the mafia.

You have made multiple false, fake statements about me, as I have demonstrated.

[worcej]

On #3 - I messed with you once about it and then corrected my behavior a long time ago. Why would I try to use this with a new person when it's been years since I did it once?

It seems like a really bad stretch to try to connect me to JBH for some reason.

You might do that if you were coaching him on how to rile me up, to create a big argument and generate ample smoke and heat, like I described.

Take yourself out of the equation for a moment. What do you think of JBH? What do you think of his case against me?

If his entire case is based off you fake claiming the shot, I find it highly poor with the information present. It would require a shot aimed at you and a scum!you having a rose.

Assuming Chaqa isn’t lying, he did shoot you and you lived. The only likely way you are scum is if Chaqa is too. But this also requires you to take a rose. Do I think you would take a rose as scum? No. I would expect you to grab a gun. I also expect you would’ve shut down this weird idea of a strategy too.

So, that all being said, I cannot make sense of JBH’s case, but this leads me to think he is more likely town than scum because the case is so bad that it’s too bad for a scum to try to make.

[worcej]

Worcej, they claimed you are coaching me. You know that is false. So why would you agree with Damo and Jamie. They are throwing all kinds of fake theories at the wall, hoping some will stick in someone's mind. It is Damo, Jamie and Chaqa. They are the mafia.

You have made multiple false, fake statements about me, as I have demonstrated.

Other than the BB thing, what else is fake/false?

[ghug]

Jamiet99uk,

Who are your team-mates?

Thanks for asking. Right now I think Celaph is, Ghug probably is too. I actually think Hamilton Brian is on my team. Rdrivera and Damo could be.

I don't think JBH, EMC, or Worcej are on my team.

Chaqa is almost slipping to null. He's kinda drifting out of the game today, which concerns me.

Yeah, I wasn't really home much the last few days. Father's Day was an all day thing and yesterday I had a bunch of stuff going on, I'm around now, though I'm still feeling good about Hamilton, Rivera, and Worcej as the likely scum team.

Chaqa has the same reads as me? Kill him!

[ghug]

@ghug, rdrivera2005, celaph - If you see this, could you expand on why HB over JBH?

Damo and Jamie are dominating the conversation about him atm.

I townread JBH and scumread HB.

[Jamiet99uk]

Worcej, they claimed you are coaching me. You know that is false. So why would you agree with Damo and Jamie. They are throwing all kinds of fake theories at the wall, hoping some will stick in someone's mind. It is Damo, Jamie and Chaqa. They are the mafia.

You have made multiple false, fake statements about me, as I have demonstrated.

Other than the BB thing, what else is fake/false?

He said that President Eden was scumreading me when he died. False. (But at least he has accepted this one was false; he says he made a mistake).

He said that I got mad, indeed "furious", even "out of control angry" with him (JBH, not Eden) on D1. False.

He also said at the start of the day that "everybody" had declared him to be obviously town , which is a load of crap.

[worcej]

@ghug, rdrivera2005, celaph - If you see this, could you expand on why HB over JBH?

Damo and Jamie are dominating the conversation about him atm.

I townread JBH and scumread HB.

20,000 foot level - why do you town JBH specifically?

[rdrivera2005]

I think you'll find out once you catch up.

Jamie is quasi clear. Chaqa and ghug are off table today. Celaph is probtown. And obviously I elim myself. Leaves you rdr JBH emc HamB.

For a moment, let's assume JBH is right. He claims Damo, Jamie and Chaqa Khan are mafia. So, then doesn't it follow Damo would clear his teammates? Uh, yes. BUT, this does not prove anything. Just another slight piece of evidence that weights the scale.

Also, I don't have a clue why they think Hamilton is mafia, or Worcez. They don't post a lot... oh, that must be it. They are deflecting. Anything, anyone... just not us.

I ask you again explain to me how {Jamie, Chaqa, damo} works. What items did we pick and for what night and what happened each night.

I challenge you.

Here's one that works.

n1. Chaqa gun n1 shoots Jamie rose n1. Failed factional scum kill of Snowy.

n2. Scum factional kill of Snowy. Damo gun n2 shoots JBH rose n2. Townsperson gun n2 kills PE but is too embarassed to admit it.

Is that what you think happened? If not tell me how. Rise to the challenge. I dare you.

I can easily present you a possible scenario where you, Jamiet and Chaqa are scum together, but will wait for JBH.

[Hamilton Brian]

@JBH, as much as I am rooting for you being the newest player, and you're trying with the arguments, I'd have to think someone would pipe in right now in support of your arguments. Even with Damo and Jamie on you and your arguments, there are 6 other people that could be chiming in to tell them they're wrong.

You might have gone down a rabbit hole; in the time left today, see if there is anyting else that seems off to you. I know that's not too helpful.

[celaph]

Somebody please check this:

Scum team {Chaqa, Jamie, x} where x is not JBH


I think this is impossible unless there is an undisclosed town shooter. Am ki correct?

I want Johnny to realise his theory makes no sense. The fact he proposes it probably indicates he is town. Or perhaps he is scum who can't or hasn't thought it through.

Yeah, I think this holds up. I liked your theory that both faction kill + shot onto Snowy, but Chaqa's counterargument seems accurate.

Only other way I can make this work is by shooting a dead person which I don't think is allowed.

[celaph]

For a moment, let's assume JBH is right. He claims Damo, Jamie and Chaqa Khan are mafia. So, then doesn't it follow Damo would clear his teammates? Uh, yes. BUT, this does not prove anything. Just another slight piece of evidence that weights the scale.

Also, I don't have a clue why they think Hamilton is mafia, or Worcez. They don't post a lot... oh, that must be it. They are deflecting. Anything, anyone... just not us.

I ask you again explain to me how {Jamie, Chaqa, damo} works. What items did we pick and for what night and what happened each night.

I challenge you.

Here's one that works.

n1. Chaqa gun n1 shoots Jamie rose n1. Failed factional scum kill of Snowy.

n2. Scum factional kill of Snowy. Damo gun n2 shoots JBH rose n2. Townsperson gun n2 kills PE but is too embarassed to admit it.

Is that what you think happened? If not tell me how. Rise to the challenge. I dare you.

I can easily present you a possible scenario where you, Jamiet and Chaqa are scum together, but will wait for JBH.

Really? Is there some trick I've missed?

[Hamilton Brian]

Missed Rivera's reply as I was posting.