M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[Chaqa]

At this point, I'd vote me too. I have really laid an egg in this game and in no way have I been able to endear myself to town, as town. And I'm not thinking. I think this rose/gun bullshit is causing me to get stuck in THAT and I can't get a decent vision of anything else.

This strikes me as very false. You've barely contributed anything, you're not hunting, I barely have any recollection of you at all. You used to explain your reasoning very well even if I disagreed with it, but I haven't seen, well, any of that this game.

Did you get your first scum roll?

He's been scum twice before.

... did I play in those games?

I feel like the answer is probably yes and I've just forgotten.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Celaph:

Have you had time to think any thinky thoughts?

[ghug]

This strikes me as very false. You've barely contributed anything, you're not hunting, I barely have any recollection of you at all. You used to explain your reasoning very well even if I disagreed with it, but I haven't seen, well, any of that this game.

Did you get your first scum roll?

He's been scum twice before.

... did I play in those games?

I feel like the answer is probably yes and I've just forgotten.

One was the one where brain and Brian imploded trying to save me D2. PRETTY Pretty sure you were in that one.The other got cancelled after a day cause someone got the wrong PM.

[Johnny Big Horse]

Can't help but think that Chaqa helped push that Foodcoats wagon further with the "I HATE this reads list" comment at the 46 minute mark. The confirmed town wagon (PE) evaporates. What was a 4(brain)/3/3/2(food) with an hour to go then goes 4 brain/3 food when ghug goes on at the 45 minute mark. The wrinkle in my theory is that Chaqa ties up the vote when they hop in the shower. 20 plus minutes for things to work out differently...and the TvT/TvS wagon issue hasn't been resolved.

The comment "Jamie is town" immediately after N1 resolution. Strikes me as unnecessary. No one knows.

Scum chaqa shoots scum jamie, or
town chaqa shoots town jamie, or
town chaqa shoots scum jamie, or
scum chaqa shoots town jamie.

Jamie has crafted some interesting posts that offer an idea that there's been a town resolution. Note the gratuitous use of colour in the vote tracking to indicate town, even if only the assumption.

You said you were fixated on rose / gun bullshit.

I suggested that you set the item stuff aside and look at the game from another perspective.

Here, however, you are still fixating on item stuff.

More of the same. Jamiet deflecting. He does this. He asks your reasons for your suspicions of him, and then he doesn't respond. At least he has done that twice to me. Maybe no response because I am of lesser mental capacity. But I think it is clear Jamiet is scum.

Chaqa too. And probably Damo, even though he has cleared me.

I cannot vote for all three. I will vote for the one who others are voting for. I used to follow Eden. He was my leader. Now I am on my own.

##VOTE JAMIET

[Chaqa]

Objectively, does anyone think it's likely mafia took rose(s)? I could see maybe taking N1 roses, but I tend to think mafia has gun(s) outstanding. Any thoughts on this?

[ghug]

Objectively, does anyone think it's likely mafia took rose(s)? I could see maybe taking N1 roses, but I tend to think mafia has gun(s) outstanding. Any thoughts on this?

It's not out of the question, but it seems unlikely.

[Hamilton Brian]

Objectively, does anyone think it's likely mafia took rose(s)? I could see maybe taking N1 roses, but I tend to think mafia has gun(s) outstanding. Any thoughts on this?

I really think so. There was the pre-game QT where all of it would have been coordinated. Creates a deep threat.

[rdrivera2005]

Why HB? What are your other reads?

I posted my reads at EOD and they didn't change much. Damo gained some points but is still on the scum side. Eden is out of my POE obviously.

I also can vote you, worcej and emc, but all of you had some towny moments and HB have none that I remember.

What are worcej's townie moments? What are mine?

I think Worcej D1 was pretty townie, interacting a lot with BB and questioning things. Then his participation dropped supposedly because of a family trip.
About you, I think the way you tried to suggest a gun choice D1 and the way you claim the rose are more town Ghug then scum Ghug, but you are hard to read unless you push Chaqa D1.

[rdrivera2005]

I'm questioning rd because I scumread him too.

I will ask you the same I asked Damo and he didn'tanswer. You were just scum with me and saw how I play as scum. What do you see on this game that indicates my scum play?

It's entirely POE. I long ago gave up on reading you.

This is lazy.

[ghug]

I will ask you the same I asked Damo and he didn'tanswer. You were just scum with me and saw how I play as scum. What do you see on this game that indicates my scum play?

It's entirely POE. I long ago gave up on reading you.

This is lazy.

Not really. You don't give us that much to work with, and you're pretty good at mimicking your town emotion as scum. VCA can give more, but you've cast one vote each day and missed both EoDs, on top of the fact that we haven't flipped scum yet.

What do you think I should be looking for in your play?

[rdrivera2005]

It's entirely POE. I long ago gave up on reading you.

This is lazy.

Not really. You don't give us that much to work with, and you're pretty good at mimicking your town emotion as scum. VCA can give more, but you've cast one vote each day and missed both EoDs, on top of the fact that we haven't flipped scum yet.

What do you think I should be looking for in your play?

Of course I am biased, but I think my posts are a lot better and well thought as scum. As town I just post what I am thinking, without re-reading what I wrote or possible things that can be read as scummy. Aa scum I am carefully and put more effort. That's why people usually don't scum read me as scum as my posts look good, almost too good to be true like Vapor said. Celaph made a really great job showing this last game and I honestly don't know how I will play when I flip Mafia again.

[celaph]

Three reasons Eden could have been shot rather than Jamie

I) Jamie is scum
2) Scum thought it a decent enough gamble to kill PE with the side effect of throwing shade on Jamie
3) A townie shot PE

I assign rough probabilities as follows:

1) 30
2 ) 67
3) 3

Hadn't seen this before. Answers my last question.

[Hamilton Brian]

Three reasons Eden could have been shot rather than Jamie

I) Jamie is scum
2) Scum thought it a decent enough gamble to kill PE with the side effect of throwing shade on Jamie
3) A townie shot PE

I assign rough probabilities as follows:

1) 30
2 ) 67
3) 3

Hadn't seen this before. Answers my last question.

Any particular conclusion if it answered your question?

[celaph]

I'm quite perturbed at the way Damo is suddenly flip flopping all over the place like a wild Brainbomb.

Do you think he's more scummy for it? I'd argue the opposite.

The argument to endvote JBH and to town him come from two very different places and I think Damo's balancing of them looks quite natural.

[dargorygel]

The parrot, hopping on one leg due to a near-tragic unicycle accident, looks around the room and writes me stuff on the chalkboard. TRYING to scratch screachingly, but he's a parrot...

##GM NOTE
Vote Count 3.02

Hamilton Brian: (2) ghug, rdrivera2005
Worcej: (1) damo666
e.m.c^42: (1) Jamiet99uk
Jamiet99uk: (1) Johnny Big Horse

Kissing their sister: (2) Hamilton Brian, Chaqa

Presently Hamilton Brian is singing in his last political and non-historical musical

Not Voted: celaph, emc, worcej
Not posted: worcej

I day, 1 hour, and 13 minutes left in this day.

[Hamilton Brian]

Ok I think I'm caught up.

My guess at the scumteam is:

Johnny, the Pony of Unprecedented Size

Plus one of: EMC or Hamilton Brian

Plus one of: Ghug, Rdrivera, Worcej

Why worcej? Is it scummy behaviour or absence? If the latter, not too different from EMC, right?

Why are you breaking up the groupings like that? How could myself or EMC be in that one grouping? The other three in theirs?

[celaph]

@Celaph:

Have you had time to think any thinky thoughts?

On you?

I'm bothered by your tendency to policy vote EMC, but your posts seem to have decent content in them so I townlean you. You also have better mechanical support for your towniness though I'm still kinda null on Chaqa so that hurts you.

[celaph]

Three reasons Eden could have been shot rather than Jamie

I) Jamie is scum
2) Scum thought it a decent enough gamble to kill PE with the side effect of throwing shade on Jamie
3) A townie shot PE

I assign rough probabilities as follows:

1) 30
2 ) 67
3) 3

Hadn't seen this before. Answers my last question.

Any particular conclusion if it answered your question?

I was shading Damo for not considering (2) earlier, I no longer think that shade is warranted. Slightly unrelated, but I think Damo's recent flip flops are very towny.

[celaph]

Macca -- Macca's first post was quintessential town Macca, though their later posts fell off a bit. Town points to rdr for noticing the first post. Depending on how D2 went, I could see lots of scum points going to those I would have expected to defend them. A brief look a votes makes me concerned about ghug and to a lesser extent Damo.

Read Macca's D2 ISO and saw very little town in it. Removing the potential shade on ghug/damo.

[Jamiet99uk]

More of the same. Jamiet deflecting. He does this. He asks your reasons for your suspicions of him, and then he doesn't respond. At least he has done that twice to me. Maybe no response because I am of lesser mental capacity. But I think it is clear Jamiet is scum.

Chaqa too. And probably Damo, even though he has cleared me.

I cannot vote for all three. I will vote for the one who others are voting for. I used to follow Eden. He was my leader. Now I am on my own.

##VOTE JAMIET

What??

This is just flat out false, yet again.

What questions, from you, have I failed to answer? Show me what you have levelled at me that I did not respond to?