MAFIA 67 OFFICIAL GAME THREAD —//—//— CURSE OF THE AZURE BONDS [hidden]

[foodcoats]

This situation is such a schreudingers box with 2 cats in it (or not in it, shagging and keeping me awake on a rooftop somewhere)

Who are the two cats?

[foodcoats]

@worcej, can you speak more to your ghug read?

With ghug the way he talks about Chaqa makes me think he believed he was killing town. Aside from his page 1 vote which he later describes as arguably an OMGUS vote, he never made an indication that he found anything about Chaqa's play scummy. At best he asked why people thought Chaqa was town and said that Chaqa is a bad player. After he started the flashwagon and voted he did give a reason (see below), but it's basically entirely a meta argument. He is even comparing Chaqa's play to town Chaqa's past games. None of that feels towny to me.

Also, does it not bother you that the last time ghug did this (M65) you two were scum? Side note because I was curious, town ghug doesn't vote for Chaqa D1.
Town Ghug: M57, M61, M62, M66 didn't vote for Chaqa D1.
Scum Ghug: M60, M63, and M65 did vote for Chaqa D1.
Chaqa subbed in part way through M57 so that counts less and going back further than that is much less meaningful as we have to skip to M39 to find another game they played together. But even still I think it's far more likely that ghug is defaulting to someone he knows that he can miskill than just a general dislike for Chaqa.

I read mostly memeing, but either Chaqa hasn't learned his lesson from his D1 miskill a couple days ago, or he thinks he's established an active meta as scum and wants to distance from it, which are both decent reasons to kill him.

I think I'm liking this celaph character.

[foodcoats]

I am hitting some kind of keyboard shortcut accidentally and posting my incomplete wall posts...

I think we should be looking at gimix, Demon, emc, rdr, and Macca tomorrow. Very likely that there is scum among the loungers.

This is a shallow post from food here. I get no sense that he actually feels good about DKing any of these people and is just pushing them.

Fair enough, I was looking at this purely from a votes perspective and not from isos or anything. I don't think I'd want to DK Demon or Macca, but I would be willing to see emc, rdr, and gimix, in that order.

From me guts.

[foodcoats]

Sorry I missed EoN. Been playing a slog of a campaign in TW Warhammer 2 for like 8 hours.

Yea so anyway.
Damo is scum and worc is solid

##Vote Damo
##End

You've recused yourself from the game "because videogames" in two instances where you were scum in the past, so I don't like this one bit.

[foodcoats]

##CALL GM

Just want to make sure this is correct... if the Poisoner chose a target last night and was then killed, would their target still be poisoned (barring Shambler, heal, or jailing)?

[foodcoats]

Maybe I’m too hung up on this but I swear this meta never ignores PRs like this unless the mafia is trying to style on specific players

No, it's definitely weird. I just feel like it's equally weird regardless of damo's alignment, since the meta is pretty strongly not to roleblock randos the first few nights.

It did happen last game in almost exactly the same situation (cop darg claimed on the block D1, and then they roleblocked a VT instead), but it was weird then too.

Worcej could also be faking the roleblock claim. But I’m not really sure what equity that gets him.
Might also have thought he softed something—I know you don’t need the mafia 101 lecture but sometimes people with more info than the rest of us think they see something that we wouldn’t pick up on :)

It would be especially bizarre to fake being janitored in this scenario. If damo is scum, damo should fake being janitored over his partner worcej faking. And worcej seemed to be pretty townread yesterday, so if worcej is scum and damo is JOAT, why would worcej fake over jailing the JOAT, or as a second choice why not try to jail the poisoner/cop?

worcej faking seems entirely improbable as it would be the least valuable strategy... even if it could cause a lot of confusion, I guess...

Actually, the only possibility is maybe worcej is sniper, and they jailed him to prevent him being scanned. That might be top strats.

[foodcoats]

Worcej being the sniper would also explain why he was tryhard instead of laconically sarcastic D1.

[Hamilton Brian]

I just do not have the patience to wade through previous games for information. Good on those of you that do, but boy...that seems like a lot of work.

[DemonRHK]

Sorry I missed EoN. Been playing a slog of a campaign in TW Warhammer 2 for like 8 hours.

Yea so anyway.
Damo is scum and worc is solid

##Vote Damo
##End

You've recused yourself from the game "because videogames" in two instances where you were scum in the past, so I don't like this one bit.

Huh, it's almost like I play a lot of video games or some shit.

If you think it's a tell, fucking vote it, don't shade it.

[Hamilton Brian]

Edgy Demon!

[Hamilton Brian]

Sorry Chaqa, rip.

I eat a lot of blame for that. ghug may have forwarded trhe suggestion, but I'm the one that threw the stone.

Anyway. on a glance the post claim pile from the vanity crowd (Fish and Plex) are what immediately catch my eye. Also HamBone.

Ifischl, perp, and myself. Is Celaph in that mix? Worcej might be too.

[damo666]

This type of posturing with lists of strong reads is something you love to do as scum though

It isn't a list of reads. It's a list of live players who are not quasi town clear (worcej) and not our only unexposed PR.

This is manifestly false because you have only listed 9 players but there are 15 players. If you exclude you and worcej you should list 13 players who could be DKed, no?

Why are you excluding another 4? Who else is quasi town clear to you and why?

I believe dragonbait is among the people not listed and therefore they should not be voted.

[DemonRHK]

Edgy Demon!

Not really, only one f-bomb.

I'm just not a fan of these handwave dismissals. It's lazy and scum motivated. 'You weren't on my team the last time you were breathing therefore every time you are breathing you are not on my team'

[foodcoats]

Edgy Demon!

Not really, only one f-bomb.

I'm just not a fan of these handwave dismissals. It's lazy and scum motivated. 'You weren't on my team the last time you were breathing therefore every time you are breathing you are not on my team'

Well you have enough time to get angry and dismiss my shading of you, but you don't have enough time to carefully consider the damo situation. That's highly suspicious.

[Hamilton Brian]

HR was pretty insistent on ghug and damo being scum. Their volume for N1 was low, but that's a comment that stands out to me.

I'm not saying the two of them are. From what I gather, HR belongs to that distinct group of people that make for good night kills because they can solve the game, so there's NO correlation. However, tuck that up in under the cap for later.

[Hamilton Brian]

@foodcoats, you expressly were not a fan of HR's day 1. In light of their demise, do you look at their day differently?

[brainbomb]

##CALL GM

Just want to make sure this is correct... if the Poisoner chose a target last night and was then killed, would their target still be poisoned (barring Shambler, heal, or jailing)?

Poisoner dying is completely irrelevant to the success or failure of their action. Target would be informed at start of day they were dying at midday. For more info please review setup and role interactions.

[DemonRHK]

Sorry Chaqa, rip.

I eat a lot of blame for that. ghug may have forwarded trhe suggestion, but I'm the one that threw the stone.

Anyway. on a glance the post claim pile from the vanity crowd (Fish and Plex) are what immediately catch my eye. Also HamBone.

Ifischl, perp, and myself. Is Celaph in that mix? Worcej might be too.

No you see the odd thing is the way they piled on from an outside wagon.

Lemme look again rq, but here was my thought process:

celaph, worc, eden, and Vecna bailed from damo to chaqa with 2 minutes left (post claim)

Fish and Perp both jumped from wagons that were not damo. They were never on the claim. That seems like it could be a staged move thanks to daychat (Though the odds of both of them and damo being scum are very low, it would put the Jim Henson theory back in play)

As far as Hambone I think I had him pegged for his limp onto the wagon after it got rolling PRE-claim

[Hamilton Brian]

This makes me consider why the poisoned would reveal or not reveal. If I'm town and know I'm dying, that would be enough for me to steer people sus of me to look elsewhere. Mafia wouldn't have a thing to gain by claiming. Thoughts?

[DemonRHK]

Edgy Demon!

Not really, only one f-bomb.

I'm just not a fan of these handwave dismissals. It's lazy and scum motivated. 'You weren't on my team the last time you were breathing therefore every time you are breathing you are not on my team'

Well you have enough time to get angry and dismiss my shading of you, but you don't have enough time to carefully consider the damo situation. That's highly suspicious.

Your failure to read and comprehend leaves the koala population in awe.