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I do get there's some tangential reason to think I'm the Janitor (or the Wolf) but I assure you all I'm just a VT (which seems safe to say now that, you know, all the PRs are dead or outed). I have no idea who the Janitor might be outside of potentially Jamie.

That's based on generally the best play being to Janitor your N1 kill.

That said, I could see why mafia would not do so, and I do think it would make sense for them to have used the Janitor on ghug (and why my RB makes me suspicious).

But it's not the case, so I don't really have much else to say on the matter.

As for me being the Wolf - if I was, I'd probably be considering crunching Dargo at the moment to gain DK immunity tomorrow. Basically I could force town to work with me to ensure I don't die and town doesn't lose, as I could easily just start chomping VTs to keep myself from dying.

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:52 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:50 pm

So either Maniac is scum

or

both darg and kgray are scum

Do I have this right?

Damo is scum.

@Rivera why did you say this?

Re-reading EOD knowing Maniac was town, I actually think yav looks a little better. His pressure to get Maniac to list his scans in case he did flip cop seemed genuine.

Bona's "I'm lazily voting for Maniac" reminds me so much of his too-scummy-to-be-scum play from the alien game. He's been using his tunnels to deflect from actual reads, and especially his darg focus is so blatantly anti-town. His vote for Hamilton to tie it *probably* means he's not scum with Hamilton, and I get the feeling that he didn't care either way who died, but I think he could be the werewolf.

Hamilton's EOD really rubs me the wrong way. His nonchalance is in contrast with when he was on the block in M62 as town and was floundering around trying to leave his reads.

Also, kak wanting Bona to join him on celaph feels really gross considering he wasn't caught up and he knows that Bona's been tunneling celaph. I still think kak and Hamilton make a lot of sense as scumbuddies.

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:51 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:36 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:01 pm

Because it will still put pressure on you and me as the likely Janitor.

So now you're saying Jamie is not the Janitor. Make your mind up.

Show me were I told Jaime is not the Janitor, I am saying I think he is and that this explains no N3 Janitoring too.

I am saying that if Jamiet is the Janitor that was RBed N1 he will probably avoid Janitoring N2 e N3 to avoid pressure. The same would be valid on N3 for me if I was Janitor (I am not) RBed N2.

I think I may have misinterpreted. So Ok

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:52 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:26 pm

Maybe you could continue by making a post about how the sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening? Perhaps you'd like to tell us that water is wet, or that ice is cold?

Maybe you can shove your snark where the sun doesn't shine.

What, Lancashire?

@darg I'm not gonna be able to do the bona kgray Kak thing by EON. Soz. Bit outlandish anyway.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:37 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:52 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:26 pm

Maybe you could continue by making a post about how the sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening? Perhaps you'd like to tell us that water is wet, or that ice is cold?

Maybe you can shove your snark where the sun doesn't shine.

What, Lancashire?

Newcastle, I thought.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:34 pm

Also, kak wanting Bona to join him on celaph feels really gross considering he wasn't caught up and he knows that Bona's been tunneling celaph. I still think kak and Hamilton make a lot of sense as scumbuddies.

@darg this is interesting!!!

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:06 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:33 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:04 pm

Beats me. Maybe you?

It is not me. I'm town.
So if it is not you, and it is not me, who does that leave?

Everyone but Dargo? lol

You have no better suggestion than this?

Suddenly you don't seem very bothered about catching scum, Chaqa.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:45 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:06 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:33 pm

It is not me. I'm town.
So if it is not you, and it is not me, who does that leave?

Everyone but Dargo? lol

You have no better suggestion than this?

Suddenly you don't seem very bothered about catching scum, Chaqa.

You’re asking me to postulate who the Janitor specifically could be. I literally have no reason or data to theorize with. I don’t know what you want from me.

I have ideas about who scum are, but individual roles? It’s insane to expect anyone to have that.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:48 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:45 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:06 pm

Everyone but Dargo? lol

You have no better suggestion than this?

Suddenly you don't seem very bothered about catching scum, Chaqa.

You’re asking me to postulate who the Janitor specifically could be. I literally have no reason or data to theorize with. I don’t know what you want from me.

I have ideas about who scum are, but individual roles? It’s insane to expect anyone to have that.

We know there is a Janitor.
We know that nobody has been Janitored.
We know who was roleblocked each night.

That is quite a lot of data.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:14 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:52 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:50 pm

So either Maniac is scum

or

both darg and kgray are scum

Do I have this right?

Damo is scum.

@Rivera why did you say this?

I said this because I thought scum Damo was trying to see how to act with a scum Maniac claim, to make some damage control as it seems to not be a natural reaction in that frentic moment.
Considering Maniac flipped town I don´t think we can read much on it unfortunately .

damo666 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:42 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:34 pm

Also, kak wanting Bona to join him on celaph feels really gross considering he wasn't caught up and he knows that Bona's been tunneling celaph. I still think kak and Hamilton make a lot of sense as scumbuddies.

@darg this is interesting!!!

Yeah...
I am not going to declare which of the three Janitor candidates I believe is strongest before EoD.

but for the others, bona, kak, hb (and not ruling out macca and yav... they've just moved down the list) are where my thoughts are.

I know it is a big scum pool.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:49 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:48 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:45 pm

You have no better suggestion than this?

Suddenly you don't seem very bothered about catching scum, Chaqa.

You’re asking me to postulate who the Janitor specifically could be. I literally have no reason or data to theorize with. I don’t know what you want from me.

I have ideas about who scum are, but individual roles? It’s insane to expect anyone to have that.

We know there is a Janitor.
We know that nobody has been Janitored.
We know who was roleblocked each night.

That is quite a lot of data.

Well, the most obvious time to Janitor is Night 1. You were the one roleblocked then. Hence my "best guess" being you.

Rivera could be it if they planned to janitor Brain, but I tend to think they wanted the Wolf to know the Watcher was dead, so they probably didn't use it then.

Night 3 makes sense, but I know I'm not the Janitor, so I have no explanation for why it wasn't used.

Just seems like such a random act. Maniac just takes a wild leap to block Jamie N1?

I'm not mafia

Hamilton Brian wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:19 pm

Just seems like such a random act. Maniac just takes a wild leap to block Jamie N1?

He dislikes me outside of any particular game, and openly stated he'd want to kill me regardless of my alignment. So I suppose he'd want to Roleblock me if I was Cop or Doc or suchlike, as well.

He's just a petty, nasty person.

I agree with damo's arguement that Chaqa is probably the janitor who was RBed at N3.

yavuzovic wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:32 pm

I agree with damo's arguement that Chaqa is probably the janitor who was RBed at N3.

What's the part of the argument that you agree with most?