MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[celaph]

But kak either has a gun, or he’s scum. I already was scumreading him, so this vote makes sense to me. If he shoots someone, I’ll move my vote, likely. Although vecna MIGHT have accidentally gunned up a scum.

##VOTE kakarroto

Do you think that Demon voted for a fellow scum to be his counterwagon D1? I agree that kak's iso isn't great, but he he came across as having fun and more than willing to share his opinion last night and today.

[Hamilton Brian]

my trust in foodcoats is pretty much gone entirely.

Why? And sorry if it seems I'm badgering you with questions, but I read a statement of yours and I think to myself, "I need to know more."

I am worried about the ghug issue. I get this issues raised and I need to delve into why I considered them a townread for me.

If we go back to Maniac's thinking about the D1 vote, how do things change if the counterwagons are both miskills? Does it strengthen or weaken anyone's argument? What if Kak is scum? How does that impact the number of people in the scum pool?

[celaph]

darg is unccd with an inno scan and was not even rbd

I think this means that we have a watcher (or darg is mafia). Otherwise, you're right that he's the obvious rb target.

There can be a Watcher and a Ninja, though. So scum don’t have to be so afraid of the Watcher.

Bob posted earlier that scum can't use the same person for both factional abilities so ninja probably wouldn't be used on rb.

[Hamilton Brian]

But kak either has a gun, or he’s scum. I already was scumreading him, so this vote makes sense to me. If he shoots someone, I’ll move my vote, likely. Although vecna MIGHT have accidentally gunned up a scum.

##VOTE kakarroto

Do you think that Demon voted for a fellow scum to be his counterwagon D1? I agree that kak's iso isn't great, but he he came across as having fun and more than willing to share his opinion last night and today.

In a world where this happens (Demon voting for Kak!scum) what might have changed? Or how would an outcome have changed? I think more people would have probably jumped on me, right? Get the miskill, and save the team for the time being? Come up with excuses later?

[ghug]

Second... I did believe (and still do) that I was heading for the death-room when I announced my claim. I cross posted (literally) vecna and kgray discussing making a switch, or i would have taken my chances.

I imagined everyone screaming cursings at me for not claiming when it became clear that I was going to be DKed. So i announced.

Are you knew here?
Is this your first time playing Mafia?

We know that it is not.

When you claimed, more than four hours were left to go until EoD, and you were absolutely not some kind of runaway wagon in the way you've tried to suggest. There were never more than four votes on you, with 20 players alive.

You are an experienced player and GM. You have therefore seen dozens and dozens of D1s. More than enough to know perfectly well that having four votes on you is NOT "clearly going to be DKed" and it is absurd of you to suggest this.

It is simply not plausible to believe that you are a non-PR town who was so scared of being killed that you felt it was necessary or sensible to fake-claim a major town PR at that point in time.

I unclaimed for one purpose... hoping to give the scummies and wolfie just enough reason to doubt. 'specially the wolf.

I preferred scum to kill me than the wolf.

This is also nonsense. Utter rubbish. If you wanted to draw an NK, sticking to your PR fakeclaim would be a better way to do that, than retracting it. It's not like the real Cop was going to CC you during the night, huh?

I don't recommend kak's gun being used to shoot me. It's a waste.

I agree. We should daykill you.

But I would not like to waste all day while people argue about which time I lied.

So... if you are going to kill me... vote and hammer.

Sure, if that's what you want, I am willing to call your silly bluff.

##END

This post is so bad.

[celaph]

my trust in foodcoats is pretty much gone entirely.

Why? And sorry if it seems I'm badgering you with questions, but I read a statement of yours and I think to myself, "I need to know more."

I am worried about the ghug issue. I get this issues raised and I need to delve into why I considered them a townread for me.

If we go back to Maniac's thinking about the D1 vote, how do things change if the counterwagons are both miskills? Does it strengthen or weaken anyone's argument? What if Kak is scum? How does that impact the number of people in the scum pool?

HB can you speak to why you both trust brain to be town and have the correct takes?

[brainbomb]

its really hard for me to shut up when you keep asking me questions. I dont feel like celaph ever addressed my scumread. Maniac is making sense and at least seems to know whats going on.

im sort of in the camp that darg is scum here or fake and foodcoats has TMI of such matters so hes hardsiding with town jamie to look redeemable.

[Chaqa]

Hmm.

I think of the 8 gun targets, I prefer we shoot Macca, Yavu, or Maniac.

I also realized I forgot Fluminator in that group. He should definitely be there. In fact, it would explain how RHK got booted day 1.

##Vote Fluminator

[Chaqa]

So him or one of those three.

I feel better about ghug and worcej then the rest. Hamilton and rivera seem reasonably okay too.

[brainbomb]

Hmm.

I think of the 8 gun targets, I prefer we shoot Macca, Yavu, or Maniac.

I also realized I forgot Fluminator in that group. He should definitely be there. In fact, it would explain how RHK got booted day 1.

##Vote Fluminator

a lot of players missed EOD. and Flum has not yet struck me as anything.

[celaph]

But kak either has a gun, or he’s scum. I already was scumreading him, so this vote makes sense to me. If he shoots someone, I’ll move my vote, likely. Although vecna MIGHT have accidentally gunned up a scum.

##VOTE kakarroto

Do you think that Demon voted for a fellow scum to be his counterwagon D1? I agree that kak's iso isn't great, but he he came across as having fun and more than willing to share his opinion last night and today.

In a world where this happens (Demon voting for Kak!scum) what might have changed? Or how would an outcome have changed? I think more people would have probably jumped on me, right? Get the miskill, and save the team for the time being? Come up with excuses later?

I'm confused about how trying Kak with Demon would lead to more votes for you. The mafia already know they have to vote for someone other than demon to save him, and town are likely going to join a viable wagon towards the end.

[ghug]

vecna was not janitored so if you do reveal who the person is theyll likely get janitor killed. this why waiting til eon 2 might be best

Feels like brain is ignoring the possibility that scum will kill darg.

[Chaqa]

Hmm.

I think of the 8 gun targets, I prefer we shoot Macca, Yavu, or Maniac.

I also realized I forgot Fluminator in that group. He should definitely be there. In fact, it would explain how RHK got booted day 1.

##Vote Fluminator

a lot of players missed EOD. and Flum has not yet struck me as anything.

Yeah but cavendish was completely MIA.

[Bonatogether]

if you want me to shut up I will shut up. but dont fucking sit here when people are creating gun deadlines and tell me 11 non voters is activity

I dunno about other people but I'm waiting for right before gun EoD to park a vote.

[brainbomb]

vecna was not janitored so if you do reveal who the person is theyll likely get janitor killed. this why waiting til eon 2 might be best

Feels like brain is ignoring the possibility that scum will kill darg.

Im of the opinion darg is scum and I have a thought on who cop really is. not gonna comment on if I approve of how theyre handling it

[Chaqa]

RHK/Cavendish/Maniac/Macca scum team? Last person was also afk for eod... meaning maniac was the only one on to move around?

[celaph]

its really hard for me to shut up when you keep asking me questions. I dont feel like celaph ever addressed my scumread. Maniac is making sense and at least seems to know whats going on.

im sort of in the camp that darg is scum here or fake and foodcoats has TMI of such matters so hes hardsiding with town jamie to look redeemable.

You're scum read for the most part has been an activity thing which is a rather weak argument. I think your criticism earlier about me not being solvey earlier today was a better argument and not one that I'll change by saying "yes I was solvey" when I know I had been a little lazy.

[celaph]

Brain, did you learn anything from the survey you were conducting earlier?

[ghug]

Do you mean this list?
- Yavu
- Worcej
- Rivera
- ghug
- Hamilton
- Jamiet
- Macca

Aye. Throw Maniac in as well, and you have the 8 I want to flip two of todayz

Hoping there is a gun.

IF the person is in the list, you are saying i should reveal before the shooter shoots?

What do others think about that?

Chaqa's list is not gospel.

I still think you should be claiming your scan now, so as not to give you time to think of another one if you are lying. If the consensus is to wait, you should claim it when the person is at risk of daykill or gunkill, or at EoN otherwise.

[damo666]

mafia cant change who the watcher would see
they can only change who the watcher actually watched, the doc actually saved and the werewolf tried to eat

but what if we’re in setup 4?

I dont think we are

brain can't help outing himself as Watcher or Driver