MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Bonatogether]

I was trying to be coy about it >:(

Being blatant means scum wouldn't have believed me.

But you were so coy, that scum probably missed it.

Then scum evidently haven't been reading the thread, since multiple people asked if I was softing cop (and I selectively did not respond to those messages, or edited out the parts that were asking about that)

[TheMadMonarch]

@bona

I'm thinking back to Day 1, and RHK voting for Kak over Hamilton combined with Hamilton's weird hedging is reasonably solid evidence...

Macca *has* been a bit better today.

@Darg - what do you think? Macca, Maniac, Hamilton?

I am voting for Ham.

I distrust Macca and Maniac.

Bona, despite your argument, continues to seem scum to me. Probably some annoyance OMGUS. But I'm looking for a fake claim for him, set up by the suggestion in here that he is still doubting because he is going to claim cop.

My order of preference today is Ham, maniac, macca.

I don't plan on claiming cop

??

[Bonatogether]

@bona

I am voting for Ham.

I distrust Macca and Maniac.

Bona, despite your argument, continues to seem scum to me. Probably some annoyance OMGUS. But I'm looking for a fake claim for him, set up by the suggestion in here that he is still doubting because he is going to claim cop.

My order of preference today is Ham, maniac, macca.

I don't plan on claiming cop

??

It's subtle dammit. I'm leaving open the possibility that I actually am cop.

[TheMadMonarch]

Also Bona,

The bigger problem for me is that I trusted you because of what I perceived to be our mutual distrust of darg. Without that, I go back to the way I was reading you before, which wasn't great, plus all the things food has dredged up.

[Bonatogether]

Also Bona,

The bigger problem for me is that I trusted you because of what I perceived to be our mutual distrust of darg. Without that, I go back to the way I was reading you before, which wasn't great, plus all the things food has dredged up.

Why would you townread me off of a shared read in the first place? That seems like a crappy reason.

[TheMadMonarch]

Also Bona,

The bigger problem for me is that I trusted you because of what I perceived to be our mutual distrust of darg. Without that, I go back to the way I was reading you before, which wasn't great, plus all the things food has dredged up.

Why would you townread me off of a shared read in the first place? That seems like a crappy reason.

As I said to food. You were going quite strongly against the grain, which seemed very townie to me.

[Bonatogether]

Also Bona,

The bigger problem for me is that I trusted you because of what I perceived to be our mutual distrust of darg. Without that, I go back to the way I was reading you before, which wasn't great, plus all the things food has dredged up.

Why would you townread me off of a shared read in the first place? That seems like a crappy reason.

As I said to food. You were going quite strongly against the grain, which seemed very townie to me.

I must have missed it when you said that. That's not alignment-indicative for me.

[dargorygel]

Why would you townread me off of a shared read in the first place? That seems like a crappy reason.

As I said to food. You were going quite strongly against the grain, which seemed very townie to me.

I must have missed it when you said that. That's not alignment-indicative for me.

What is alignment indicative for you? What are your tells that you try to avoid?

[Bonatogether]

As I said to food. You were going quite strongly against the grain, which seemed very townie to me.

I must have missed it when you said that. That's not alignment-indicative for me.

What is alignment indicative for you? What are your tells that you try to avoid?

I suppose you should take this with a grain of salt, but here's the most obvious thing, to me:
m62, posts/days alive: 28.42 (vt, outlier due to being shy in my first game)
m63: posts/days alive: 58.8 (vt)
m64: posts/days alive: 126.17 (scum)
m1016: posts/days alive: 25.5 (vt)
m65: posts/days alive: 97 (pr)
m66: posts/days alive: 77.2 ( )

As vanilla town I generally post in the 50-80 messages/day range, as town PR I post in the 80-100(?) posts/day range, and as scum I generally post anywhere above that.

I will concede that this is a small sample size for scum and town PR, but the vt evidence is very indicative, imo.

[damo666]

Jamie is likely town for the way he handled HB try, plus he has less chance to be scum, so he shouldn't be in this pool.

I agree with rdr on this point and I think he looks good for trying to narrow a pool that he's also in.

So did I

Assuming rdr is town this makes my assumed town group [ darg Jamie rdr celaph kgray] . I'm tending to believe Bona as well.

This leaves me with Food Chaqa Yav Macca as the scumteam.

Opinions sort from my town group on which of these you consider town and who you would replace with.

Actually everybody provide there best guess scumteam. This might prove illuminating.

[rdrivera2005]

I agree with rdr on this point and I think he looks good for trying to narrow a pool that he's also in.

So did I

Assuming rdr is town this makes my assumed town group [ darg Jamie rdr celaph kgray] . I'm tending to believe Bona as well.

This leaves me with Food Chaqa Yav Macca as the scumteam.

Opinions sort from my town group on which of these you consider town and who you would replace with.

Actually everybody provide there best guess scumteam. This might prove illuminating.

I don't think we should do this at night. Scum already have the upper hand and giving them info on who to push for a misskill isn't great.
They need only two town to vote wrong to win.

[damo666]

So did I

Assuming rdr is town this makes my assumed town group [ darg Jamie rdr celaph kgray] . I'm tending to believe Bona as well.

This leaves me with Food Chaqa Yav Macca as the scumteam.

Opinions sort from my town group on which of these you consider town and who you would replace with.

Actually everybody provide there best guess scumteam. This might prove illuminating.

I don't think we should do this at night. Scum already have the upper hand and giving them info on who to push for a misskill isn't great.
They need only two town to vote wrong to win.

I take your point but we will have input from the NK.

I think at least J and darg should have a shout.

[damo666]

Roughly speaking I think town have about a 1/16 chance of winning this.

I would make he market

Mafia 1-20
Town 12-1


It would be a great performance from Town to grab victory from the jaws of defeat.
Let's keep trying.

[Jamiet99uk]

I might die soon so I'll post my final thoughts before EoN.

[foodcoats]

I agree with rdr on this point and I think he looks good for trying to narrow a pool that he's also in.

So did I

Assuming rdr is town this makes my assumed town group [ darg Jamie rdr celaph kgray] . I'm tending to believe Bona as well.

This leaves me with Food Chaqa Yav Macca as the scumteam.

Opinions sort from my town group on which of these you consider town and who you would replace with.

Actually everybody provide there best guess scumteam. This might prove illuminating.

Why are you excluding kgray from possible scum teams?

[foodcoats]

Is damo normally this bad? Maybe scum did claim the RB.

[damo666]

So did I

Assuming rdr is town this makes my assumed town group [ darg Jamie rdr celaph kgray] . I'm tending to believe Bona as well.

This leaves me with Food Chaqa Yav Macca as the scumteam.

Opinions sort from my town group on which of these you consider town and who you would replace with.

Actually everybody provide there best guess scumteam. This might prove illuminating.

Why are you excluding kgray from possible scum teams?

I'm very confident she would not have bussed at the stage she voted D1

[foodcoats]

Ooh, mustn't forget. I need a vote.

So far, I'm not a big Ghug or Bona fan. Considering Bona already has a vote (and that I don't think anyone agrees with the ghug bit) ##VOTE Bona .

I'm towning kgray and bb, but I do that every game, so take little notice.

Macca, I think you were addressing this above in your conversation with Bona, but I am curious to know, since you obviously have more experience playing with Bona than I do:

What was it that made you vote Bona on D1?

[foodcoats]

Assuming rdr is town this makes my assumed town group [ darg Jamie rdr celaph kgray] . I'm tending to believe Bona as well.

This leaves me with Food Chaqa Yav Macca as the scumteam.

Opinions sort from my town group on which of these you consider town and who you would replace with.

Actually everybody provide there best guess scumteam. This might prove illuminating.

Why are you excluding kgray from possible scum teams?

I'm very confident she would not have bussed at the stage she voted D1

Can you explain what the differences are between "my" hypothetical bus, a hypothetical kgray bus, and a hypothetical Bona bus?

[foodcoats]

Why are you excluding kgray from possible scum teams?

I'm very confident she would not have bussed at the stage she voted D1

Can you explain what the differences are between "my" hypothetical bus, a hypothetical kgray bus, and a hypothetical Bona bus?

Put celaph in there, too.

What are the qualitative differences?