MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Bonatogether]

Sorry, I don't quite understand the question?

I don't know for a fact that you aren't the ww, so can you explain to me why you aren't the werewolf without me having to just trust you that you aren't?

So, if I were the Werewolf, my reaction to Maniac's shenanigans wouldn't have been me being certain he had to be the Werewolf. Everyone else was content to assume he's scum, but I thought he was the Wolf due to his previous VT hardclaim.

If i were the Wolf, I would have tried to chomp on him already (probably n2) and in doing so I would know he wasn't VT, so I would have believed his cop claim, or thought that he was scum. Not thought he was WW.

If you were werewolf, that might have been what you thought, but what would you have said?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bonatogether:

Now that Dargorygel is more-or-less confirmed as Cop, please can you explain why you constantly insisted you were certain he was lying?

[Jamiet99uk]

I got no gun

Why did you say this, at the exact moment of the deadline?

[Jamiet99uk]

And is this Maniac confirming they blocked these players?
"I'm The TRB

Jamie was n1
RDR n2
Chaqa n3"

Yes that's clearly the point of his message.

[Jamiet99uk]

So through all of that it's critical to look at who moved. The problem is, only scum knows for sure the wagons. But if I'm town and Maniac is now confirmed town, why the massive lemming run to Maniac? Who looks the shittiest here?

People moved onto Maniac because Maniac foolishly decided to make a Cop claim. Unfortunately it was a really obviously fake claim and key details (such as who he had scanned each day) were missing and, when asked, Maniac did not respond. So it was really obvious he was lying, which just made him look like desperate scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Now I need to go back and reread Maniac because they mention TRB SO many times. They've provided us clues, I am sure.

Is this sarcasm?

Manic did not mention roleblocks at all until Page 105 during D2, and that was a question about whether Mafia had a factional RB.

Unless he used some weird code, his first serious mention of the Town Roleblocker was in this post on page 130,:

<snipped but you can click the arrow to read it>

Now in that post he did the following:
- Asserted that "if" a TRB existed, then I, Jamie, was either Janitor or lying about being roleblocked.
- Listed Chaqa and Rdrivera as his other top scumreads apart from me.
- Analysed the voting behaviour of people with regard to voting / not voting for DemonRHK.
- Voted Rdrivera.
- Hard-claimed VT

On re-read this post is enormously aggravating, stupid, and pig-headed. First of all, he suggested there was a significant chance that I was lying about being roleblocked when he roleblocked me so he knew this was impossible. Secondly he hard-claimed VT for no apparent good reason, which contributed to his death in the long run because it became clear this VT claim was a lie.

Then on D3 there was this post:

Maybe celaph is the janitor and got roleblocked which means damo or jamie are lying scum?

Again suggesting that I lied about the roleblock which he performed.

I am seriously pissed off re-reading this shit. Maniac, once again, piss off. I'm glad you're dead.

On N3 there was a subtle change in his presentation:

So Jamie was one of two players Roleblocked on n1. I can't see a situation where mafia don't try and clean up their kill on N1, so the absense of a kill puts damo and Jamie in the frame for being the janitor.

<snip>
Rdriveria then gets roleblocked N2. On that night there is no only one kill. Either the kill was a WW kill and Scum!Rdriveria was roleblocked from his kill or maybe Watcher!Brainbomb was killed by Scum and Janitor!Rdriveria was blocked from cleaning up. Another possibility is that WW!Rdriveria was blocked (if so thanks as I could've been the WW target N2).
<snippy snip>

Now suddenly he describes both my RB claim, and Rdrivera's RB claim, as if they are genuine, and doesn't call either of us a liar. I did not pick up on this change of tone at the time but if he'd taken this line from D2 instead of spending all of D2 and N2 calling me a liar, I would have liked that a lot more.

And finally:

<numbers!>
Conclusion ALL townsfolk should vote either rdr or Chaqa.

Have you factored in that because Rdr and Chaqa were roleblocked when a kill took place that they are unlikely Ninja?

Again not casting any doubt about these RB claims.

So it seems Maniac was so tunnelled on the idea of me being scum that he had to try to present me as a liar even when he knew I was telling the truth. Unfortunately for us, Maniac is no Tom Bombadil, and this was a very bad way to play.

[Jamiet99uk]

The presence of a Town Roleblocker means there definitely is a Janitor in play.

This at least explains Maniac's obsession with me being a potential Janitor.

It is unlikely that the Janitor would holster for three nights in a row and therefore it appears likely that either myself, Chaqa or Rdrivera is actually the Janitor.

It is not me because I am Town.

We should therefore consider making Rdrivera and Chaqa wagons tomorrow.

It is what Maniac would have wanted and the least we can do is show some respect for his scum-hunting judgement.

[Jamiet99uk]

So, updating my own list slightly:

Bonatogether - scumlean, possibility of WW - His constant assertions that he was certain Dargorygel is not the Cop are really weird.
Celaph - scumlean
Chaqa - POSSIBLE JANITOR
damo666 - TOWN, very probably roleblocked by scum N1
dargorygel - TOWN - Cop
foodcoats - Town
Hamilton Brian - scumlean
Jamiet99uk - TOWN, obviously
Kakarroto - scumlean for reasons I've stated before, particularly voting behaviour
kgray - townlean - reaction to Maniac's claim of a guilty scan was very calm and organic
Macca573 - useless, slight scumlean
rdrivera2005 - POSSIBLE JANITOR
yavuzovic - unsure

And I still want Bonatogether to explain his reactions to Dargorygel around the Cop claim, etc.

[Jamiet99uk]

If I'm on the money with my townreads, then my scumpool is:

Bona
Celaph
Chaqa
Hamilton
Kakakakko
Macca
Rdrivera
Yav

Obviously that's too many so I need to try to sort the ones I'm least sure of - who are Yav and Macca.

For now I would endorse daykilling either Chaqa or Rdrivera tomorrow because there is a high probability one of them is the Janitor.

Next ranked in preference would be the group of Celaph, Hamilton, and Krackernakko.

[damo666]

Possible reasons:

a) Chaqa is Janitor and was blocked
b) Held to continue to confuse
c) Scum do not have an item and are afraid of the binoculars

When this game is done and we sit down together and have a beer over it, I'd like to know how you came up with option a.

N3 was the first night after the watcher was dead , the NK wasn't Janitored, Chaqa was blocked by Maniac, implication Janitor Chaqa was blocked.

[damo666]

If I'm on the money with my townreads, then my scumpool is:

Bona
Celaph
Chaqa
Hamilton
Kakakakko
Macca
Rdrivera
Yav

Obviously that's too many so I need to try to sort the ones I'm least sure of - who are Yav and Macca.

For now I would endorse daykilling either Chaqa or Rdrivera tomorrow because there is a high probability one of them is the Janitor.

Next ranked in preference would be the group of Celaph, Hamilton, and Krackernakko.

If rdr is Janitor why didn't he act N3?
Either Chaqa is the Janitor or scum made a policy decision not to use it.

[damo666]

The item.

Vecna must have made and passed on an item. I very much doubt he made a vest N1.

Looking at each item in turn:

Gun

Surely scum or ww would have used by now. Brain wouldn't be able to holster so if a gun either
died with ghug (boo) or
still with a townie (yay) [shoot Macca]

Bins

If with town would have been watching darg so we can discount that
If with scum makes lack of Janitor even stranger, points to Janitor Chaqa
Died with ghug or brain

tbh I doubt Vecna made bins

Healing crystal

If with town your time has come
If with scum boo
If died with brain or ghug , sad

[damo666]

Why did WW not eat copDarg last night?

1. Darg is not cop, to me this is so unlikely it can be ignored.
2. WW was blocked.

Is there any other reason ? Maniac could have been Journo, vt or scum so not a good target.

3. Maniac is WW.

Conclusion either Maniac or Chaqa is WW.

I think there is a strong case Chaqa is ww or Janitor.

If a townsperson has a gun please shoot him (if you haven't already shot Macca as I previously suggested lol).

If scum have a gun and Chaqa is not scum please shoot him.

@Chaqa if you are ww with gun please shoot Macca, if scum with gun your best ww guess, if town with gun please shoot Macca.

[damo666]

Game solution

Mafia Jamie yav rdr Macca
Werewolf Chaqa

There you have the answer but town will still manage to lose.

Now 8 4 1
EON 4 6 4 1
EOD5 6 4 0
EON6 5 4 0
EOD6 4 4 0 mafia win because you won't listen and you mk HB

[damo666]

Meaning, are there any players who have not had a sniff of being made a viable wagon? Why? Because they've obvtowned so hard?

I call bullshit. These people are operating right underneath us.

Yeah, I'll admit I fell into the trap of the Setup 1. It was a nice fantasy. But now? Let's put some 2s and 2s together.

Not that they have obvtowned but none of Jamie, rdr or Yav have been serious wagons.

[TheMadMonarch]

@macca @maniac, who are you townreading at the moment?

Bona, kgray, and damo mostly, but HB is on his way up as well.

What do you townread from HB? Can you give examples? I am struggling to view HB as anything but scum and need help.

I didn't say town read. I said on his way up [from null read]. He's been saying some cool things and actually bringing stuff to the table imo.

It looks like he was the one who really started pushing Jamie, Chaqa was the first vote, but it didn't do anything. He seemed to really be trying something here.

His wagon didn't start on much, it was like an offshoot of a Maniac push?

[TheMadMonarch]

If I discard thsoe I deem to be town for one reason another and I discard certain pairs as they don't make sense as scumpartners I am amazingly only left with one possible scumteam.

I am happy to announce the scumteam are:

Jamie
Macca
rdr
yav

Anyone apart from darg and I could be ww.

Prove me wrong.

Your theory has me as scum.
I am not scum.
:. Your theory is wrong.
QED

[TheMadMonarch]

##vote HB for the tie

Of course you did!

[TheMadMonarch]

Speaking of items if anyone has the healing crystal you know what to do tonight.

I assume it is save dargo. But why? Why would the scum kill him? They can just non-stop RB?

[TheMadMonarch]

The item.

Vecna must have made and passed on an item. I very much doubt he made a vest N1.

Looking at each item in turn:

Gun

Surely scum or ww would have used by now. Brain wouldn't be able to holster so if a gun either
died with ghug (boo) or
still with a townie (yay) [shoot Macca]

Bins

If with town would have been watching darg so we can discount that
If with scum makes lack of Janitor even stranger, points to Janitor Chaqa
Died with ghug or brain

tbh I doubt Vecna made bins

Healing crystal

If with town your time has come
If with scum boo
If died with brain or ghug , sad

What about vest? Would Vecna just not use it?