MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[kgray]

@flum and @food - look at the D1 votes. DemonRHK is on the chopping board so scum would presuambly at least try and build a counter-wagon. Rdriveria is the third vote on HB. Then Demon needs to defend himself and HB and Kak are the two counter-wagons. My guess is that demon opts for the counter-wagon with the least scum already on it so scum can still shift and save demonRHK.

Others have made separate points, but that's my reason for voting Rdriveria.

I think voting Celaph who was a DemonRHK voter is a poor DK. Town is obsessed with finding a busser. Better to find the scum that weren't on DemonRHK IMHO.

I have made a similar point about why Demon voted kak over Hamilton, so I get this. But thinking about it more, why do none of the Hamilton voters then switch to kak?

[dargorygel]

oh... and having just re-read seventy-eleven people's votes... i'll give my primary reason for posterity. Bona DOES seem to answer questions with a lot of proviso's, and sidestepping, and the like.

[brainbomb]

hi celaph can you talk about how kgray inspired you to vote RHK

[celaph]

Celaph is obviously town, since scum would *never* advise sheeping me. But really, I'm not getting scumvibes from celaph. He was so obviously scummy to me when he was scum and I'm not seeing that here. Also, @brain, I see what you're saying about him feeling like he had to bus Demon when I voted him, but I think it's also possible he just thought I was right? And being hedgy isn't scummy.

if this were true he couldve just said his rhk vote was inspired by you. and it wouldve been a very sincere way to dismiss my charge that he panic bought in that you were menacing over rhk

It would have been sincere in so far as I would have been lying. I know my vote came after her's but I arrived to the conclusion independently.

[kgray]

@kgray @kakarotto @chaqa

Can we rally on damo here?

We are in the middle of the scum push

But explain more please on what you think the scum push is that's happening right now? The only real change recently has been the Bona wagon, and I'm really confident kak, at least, is town.

Kgray
Kgray
Are you about to move to damo just when I was listening to you about bona?

I'd rather bona, but I will vote damo to save celaph and/or Rivera.

[Chaqa]

I actually hate all of the current wagons besides Maniac and maybe damo.

Why you lying bro? I've literally just set out all the times you include Rdriveria in your list of 8 people you'd DK. Now he is a viable wagon somehow you hate the idea?

Also if you are going to joke vote please use the international accepted lol or - i get easily confused and just wasted time saying how much I hated your vote.

So him or one of those three.

I feel better about ghug and worcej then the rest. Hamilton and rivera seem reasonably okay too.

Don't shoot/DK:
- Bona
- Brain
- Celaph
- Dargo
- Food
- Ghug
- Brian
- Kakarot

Maybe shoot/DK:
- Damo
- Jamie
- Kgray
- Rivera
- Worcej

Preferred shoot/DK:
- Flum
- Macca
- Maniac
- Yavu

Hardly my "top scumread"

My list of 8 was more for information than anything. The only ones I really scumread were you, Yavu, and Macca. Maybe Flum.

[celaph]

hi celaph can you talk about how kgray inspired you to vote RHK

Still catching up. But fortunately just cross posted an answer for you.

[Chaqa]

@kgray @kakarotto @chaqa

Can we rally on damo here?

We are in the middle of the scum push

Well, the issue is, one of damo and Jamie is more or less mechanically clear, and I'm a little hesitant to vote for one of them before knowing which one it is.

[brainbomb]

Celaph is obviously town, since scum would *never* advise sheeping me. But really, I'm not getting scumvibes from celaph. He was so obviously scummy to me when he was scum and I'm not seeing that here. Also, @brain, I see what you're saying about him feeling like he had to bus Demon when I voted him, but I think it's also possible he just thought I was right? And being hedgy isn't scummy.

if this were true he couldve just said his rhk vote was inspired by you. and it wouldve been a very sincere way to dismiss my charge that he panic bought in that you were menacing over rhk

It would have been sincere in so far as I would have been lying. I know my vote came after her's but I arrived to the conclusion independently.

so were you even reading kgrays pushes on RHK when you voted in the midst of them?

[Chaqa]

I hate Chaqa's vote on Celaph when Rdriveria is a viable option. Look at this

P97 - Chaqa said "I don't think celaph or food are bussing there." In same post rdriveria was in Chaqa's scum list.
P97 - Chaqa said "Food and celaph sat on the RHK wagon and I know at least celaph was online at EoD, if i remember the online list correctly (this is a possible case of bad memory, but I'm not sure). I don't think scum!food or scum!celaph just sits on a teammate and goes MIA"
p101 Chaqa again names rdriveria in his scum list.
p112 Chaqa says don't shoot/DK Celaph, maybe DK Riveria
p118 - chaqa lists his eight scum targets including Rdriveria
p118 - Chaqa asks for the case on Celaph.
P130 - Cgaqa still doesn't understand Celaph case
Pg 145 - with a little push from Kgray Chaqa suddenly votes celaph. At this point it was celaph 5, Maniac 4 Rdriveria 4

So having town read celpah for most of the day and scum read rdriveria, when it gets to the business end of the day and chaq can follow his reads he completely does a u-turn to force celaph further into the lead and protect rdriveria who had been his scum read. This makes no sense if Chaqa is town. If rdriveria does flip scum, then Chaqa looks terrible here.

well chaqa just put rd into top wagon with his change away from celaph, so what do you think about it now?

Yet despite having rdriveria in his eight people to kill, when he gets a chance he plonks himself on flum. I think he is waiting to see which way the wind blows. Rdriveria and Chaqa look scummy here.

... Bro, you can't just take the list without the context behind it.

I assembled that list with the assumption we'd be able to flip two people on it today.

Oh, and Flum should have been on the list too, but as an oversight because he subbed in I forgot him. I've been pretty clear I didn't view rivera as super super scummy.

[kgray]

@kgray @kakarotto @chaqa

Can we rally on damo here?

We are in the middle of the scum push

I would vote for damo way before Rivera and celaph, and I'm not going to stay on a non-viable wagon. So yes.

Okay, great

##VOTE damo666

How strong is this preference over Bona?

[damo666]

Voting Bona given his D1 vote is bad
Voting Celaph given his D1 vote is not good
Voting me given my RB claim is unwise
Voting Maniac I can just about understand but would't personally join.

rdr is only realistic option

[dargorygel]

I actually hate all of the current wagons besides Maniac and maybe damo.

Why you lying bro? I've literally just set out all the times you include Rdriveria in your list of 8 people you'd DK. Now he is a viable wagon somehow you hate the idea?

Also if you are going to joke vote please use the international accepted lol or - i get easily confused and just wasted time saying how much I hated your vote.

So him or one of those three.

I feel better about ghug and worcej then the rest. Hamilton and rivera seem reasonably okay too.

Don't shoot/DK:
- Bona
- Brain
- Celaph
- Dargo
- Food
- Ghug
- Brian
- Kakarot

Maybe shoot/DK:
- Damo
- Jamie
- Kgray
- Rivera
- Worcej

Preferred shoot/DK:
- Flum
- Macca
- Maniac
- Yavu

Hardly my "top scumread"

My list of 8 was more for information than anything. The only ones I really scumread were you, Yavu, and Macca. Maybe Flum.

That comment by maniac was kinda weird.

[ghug]

@kgray @kakarotto @chaqa

Can we rally on damo here?

We are in the middle of the scum push

I would vote for damo way before Rivera and celaph, and I'm not going to stay on a non-viable wagon. So yes.

I'm torn on damo. Coming into the day he felt pretty scummy, but all of his seemingly arbitrary listing of people he'll vote for feels like classic town damo

I don't like him asking town rb to out through. Seems like something scum damo would do in the hopes that it gets read as too brazen to be scum.

[Hamilton Brian]

FWIW I think the rdr push IS a defence of celaph and/or damo.

You might be right, but I lost track through the big wall. Was there anyone particular pushing it?

[Fluminator]

Oh, Bona also voted Demon when it was tied, interesting

[Fluminator]

##Unvote

Recalibrating

[Maniac]

Jesus this is like playing whack-a-mole. You guys have so far had Jamie and Damo up for the daykill. One of which is claiming a scum Rb. You have had me, Celaph and now Bonatogether top of the poll. All of us voted to kill scum.

Get a grip people. Let's kill rdriveria and if he is scum then Chaqa was bussing DemonRHK for sure

[Fluminator]

Ok Maniac, I'll come back to Rdr
##Vote Rdr

[Chaqa]

Maniac/Flum/Macca/Yavu

Min 2 scum in there