Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[ghug]

Vecna and I confirming the use "nothing happens" as a non cure result as good as guarantees Vecna and I cannot be alien.

the gm answers this to anyone asking them the question, so this clears nothing for noone

Would an alien conduct a [false] scan and declare a negative result thus reducing infectee pool? Not very likely is it?

They would if they claimed the item in an attempt to avoid death and then we told them they had to use it when they dragged their feet.

[Jamiet99uk]

Several pages behind, apologies, will be a busy day for me IRL and I might be limited in contributing.

I am not seeing what I would call a strong indicator that our scum team is trying to signal that we should go ahead with Bob.

Maybe we should eat our own weight in lemons and see if that gives us any ideas.

Oh, I see this is already very, very outdated.

Here is the problem with the "Flavius Method".

[ghug]

Actually ##VOTE BOB just to stay there while we let Ghug have his contribution

Maniac voted Bob
Jamie voted Bob
Fox voted Bob
rdr voted Bob
damo voted Bob
worcej refused to vote for Bob
Vecna refused to vote for Bob
ghug

Ghug, please indicate if you will vote for Bob.

I expressed pubic support for the plan, but I no longer have interest in voting Bob.

[damo666]

##end

I want to see the godthread

[Jamiet99uk]

Actually ##VOTE BOB just to stay there while we let Ghug have his contribution

Maniac voted Bob
Jamie voted Bob
Fox voted Bob
rdr voted Bob
damo voted Bob
worcej refused to vote for Bob
Vecna refused to vote for Bob
ghug said he would do it but didn't want to

Ghug, please indicate if you will vote for Bob.

I expressed pubic support for the plan, but I no longer have interest in voting Bob.

Hm, ok. If somehow it isn't Damo I've got one more report coming.

But it is Damo.

##VOTE DAMO

[damo666]

You have my permission to kill me and end me.

I trust scum to not throw the game.

[damo666]

Actually ##VOTE BOB just to stay there while we let Ghug have his contribution

Maniac voted Bob
Jamie voted Bob
Fox voted Bob
rdr voted Bob
damo voted Bob
worcej refused to vote for Bob
Vecna refused to vote for Bob
ghug said he would do it but didn't want to

Ghug, please indicate if you will vote for Bob.

I expressed pubic support for the plan, but I no longer have interest in voting Bob.

Hm, ok. If somehow it isn't Damo I've got one more report coming.

But it is Damo.

##VOTE DAMO

I look forward to your apology Jamie.

[ghug]

why are you so upset about worcej votes? got some secret knowledge that he isnt the alien?

^ vecna replying to a post that directly references my plan.

For what its worth, im not scum and I barely read any of this thread the last 30 hours. Still felt crap and was trying to be busy with other things.

No idea what type of cutesy plan people are following. If town was supposed to vote bob for whatever reason to let scum do some signalling, ##vote bob I guess?

^vecna trying to make out he has no idea of my plan

I did see that worcej was desperately trying to signal that Damo is the alien thouogh, and this plan is ridiculous in itself.

Do people really think the scum are not going to vote bob if all town decided theyre gonna vote bob? Whether they tried killing him or not?

"oh, let us not vote bob to signal that he is not actually the alien. That wont out us at all, right?".

This is the most dumbass thing ive heard in a long time.

^four minutes later vecna has full knowledge of my plan and has deduced it's dumb.

massive inconsistency which could be explained by levels of drugs in his system i suppose.

Like I said, I barely read the thread. Glossed over it, was aware people were proposing a bunch of weird plans where everyone votes a same target. Not any details on how to vote or whether there was anything more to it.

If you want to catch me in any inconsistencies, by all means, waste your time.

Unless foxcastle still somehow managed to fenagle a wonderful fakeclaim im towncleared (or technically non-scum confirmed), so im sure you have more interesting things to discuss than how I word my post or how much attention I did or did not pay to the details of the last 3 pages.

You're not towncleared. Thamrick could have framed you.

[ghug]

The response he received from Bona showed us all that Darg had provided the thread with a wrong GM answer on whether people that were nightkilled would be informed about item thefts. At least wrong in the sense that dead people communicating with the shaman could answer whether their item was stolen on that night.

Scum would not know that information was wrong. Theyd fabricate a fakeclaim without item theft information.

You think fox goes and questions the gm's on whether theyve been making mistakes when forging a fakeclaim? It just rings to me like the type of thing that comes to light naturally, through getting an actual reply to your "commune with the dead session".

Regardless, the shaman can self-confirm by using the ritual ability. Which will verify everything he said.

So I'm 99% on board with this. My one issue is that for Fox to have asked about item theft in the first place, he would have to have been unaware of the item theft answer darg gave to begin with. I feel like scum would have paid attention to that though, which pushes him back towards town.

[ghug]

how about we make a pact scum.

You out the alien. Designate a patsy that gives us the name of the alien and the name of the person that we miss-kill tomorrow. all town promise to give you the miskill you desire tomorrow. No PR's, those we will need to clear the infection of the survivors. All other semi-clears are fair game.

That way we kill the alien today. town misskill of your choice tomorrow. The outed scum the day after. We discuss how to clear the infections of survivors with the outted patsy.

Given no saves or weird shenanigans that gives us a 3way lylo where anyone can still win.

We accept because we have to at this point.

I've done my task, do yours. Kill Fox or Jamie tomorrow.

##end - in case you cannot get the hint still.

Loll

[Jamiet99uk]

Hm, ok. If somehow it isn't Damo I've got one more report coming.

But it is Damo.

##VOTE DAMO

I look forward to your apology Jamie.

You will not get one.

This is a guessing game. I have made my guess based on the information available to me. I think I have guess right. Perhaps I have guessed wrong.

It is the nature of the game.

[ghug]

##Vote Damo

I'm not 100% clear on the deal, but if Damo is alien then we owe WorceJ a kill. Our (vecna) initial offer to them was for them to request a non-PR in kill, WorceJ then requested Jamie or Fox who are PRs. So no deal exists. I think as a bare minimum we should kill a non-PR townie (me) if worceJ info is correct.

We still have to be alive to the fact that alien can win even if they are dead so we can't allow scum to kill Jamie tonight. Is it a no kill tonight?

I can understand how scum are feeling about this game.

I'm not going to claim that my cunning plan that could've been drawn up by Mr Foxy Cunning of Cunning Road, Cunningville with a degree in cunning had anything to do with worceJ exposing himself. I just want to get people talking rather than a quiet day killing damo.

Lol... good try Maniac.

Fox or Jamie is your option. If you don't agree, go ahead and kill me now and we'll throw the game to Damo with our NK tonight.

I'm not opposed to killing Jamie if Damo is alien, but we need to be clear on the deal.

1 - everyone votes Damo today so no crazy manipulation can happen
2 - You guys hold your kill tonight
3 - we kill Jamie/Foxx tomorrow
4 - you nightkill the other??? Hardly seems fair

We can probably give you a non-pr and you can NK the other? Agreed?

What if damo gives up an infectee, we give scum that miskill first, and then kill damo tomorrow.

Worcej is guaranteed a miskill.
Damo is guaranteed to live one more day.
Town gets a net neutral on the infections.

What do you say, damo?

[ghug]

There is no deal because I am not alien. Worcej is lying and discussion of killing anyone tomorrow other than the alien is redundant.

I'm sorry, why on Earth would Worcej claim to be scum and then lie in a manner which would protect the Alien?

I've explained this a bazillion times. Scum worcej can allow infected town me to die because it reduces the town/mafia ratio and alien cannot win during the night as Mafia can hold their kill. Mafia (worcej) reveals the real alien tomorrow.

Got it?

D6 dk Damo
N6 no kill
D7 kill alien

They then go into N7 5-2 down they kill a clear (you or Fox say) and it goes to 4-2.
D8 dk worcej 4-1.
N8 nk another clear 3-1.

Go into d9 with:

a) Vecna, Maniac, rdr and ghug if Bob is alien
b) Bob, Vecna, rdr and Maniac if ghug is alien
c) Bob, Maniac, rdr and ghug if Vecna is alien

From there it's either town victory or miskill followed by draw.

Actually this is new. Scum could get an honourable draw. Well played worcej.

How's that a draw? We just lose on a miskill.

[ghug]

Hard claiming scum is not a move scum take lightly.

At some point we have to ask ourselves why worceJ in effect derailed a straight-eight vote on Bob. Obv if Bob is secretary then it’s scum game over.

If Bob is town wouldn’t scum have just taken a punt on Bob being infected? Kill/no kill tonight and then reveal alien if they know who it is tomorrow?

This is an interesting point. Damo's right that scum didn't need to kill alien today, but it also doesn't seem like they'd out themselves to save the alien. Maybe they just didn't realize they didn't actually need to kill the alien today?

[ghug]

(Seriously, are people still this unaware that Fox claimed shaman? That he communed with dead bona, and that there was a copscan on me? I can only be scum if Fox is also scum).

Isn't there a chance that you were lawyered the night Bona scanned you? I'm not actually double checking the mechanics on that and I think it's a negligible possibility. For all intents and purposes, I'm not entertaining any idea that Vecna is scum and don't think it's a useful discussion.

Why's it negligible? If the remaining scum are thamrick, Vecna, and worcej, I know which one I'm lawyering.

[damo666]

I'm sorry, why on Earth would Worcej claim to be scum and then lie in a manner which would protect the Alien?

I've explained this a bazillion times. Scum worcej can allow infected town me to die because it reduces the town/mafia ratio and alien cannot win during the night as Mafia can hold their kill. Mafia (worcej) reveals the real alien tomorrow.

Got it?

D6 dk Damo
N6 no kill
D7 kill alien

They then go into N7 5-2 down they kill a clear (you or Fox say) and it goes to 4-2.
D8 dk worcej 4-1.
N8 nk another clear 3-1.

Go into d9 with:

a) Vecna, Maniac, rdr and ghug if Bob is alien
b) Bob, Vecna, rdr and Maniac if ghug is alien
c) Bob, Maniac, rdr and ghug if Vecna is alien

From there it's either town victory or miskill followed by draw.

Actually this is new. Scum could get an honourable draw. Well played worcej.

How's that a draw? We just lose on a miskill.

3-1 to town

miskill 2-1

scum NKs and it's 1-1.

Draw, no?

[damo666]

Lol... good try Maniac.

Fox or Jamie is your option. If you don't agree, go ahead and kill me now and we'll throw the game to Damo with our NK tonight.

I'm not opposed to killing Jamie if Damo is alien, but we need to be clear on the deal.

1 - everyone votes Damo today so no crazy manipulation can happen
2 - You guys hold your kill tonight
3 - we kill Jamie/Foxx tomorrow
4 - you nightkill the other??? Hardly seems fair

We can probably give you a non-pr and you can NK the other? Agreed?

What if damo gives up an infectee, we give scum that miskill first, and then kill damo tomorrow.

Worcej is guaranteed a miskill.
Damo is guaranteed to live one more day.
Town gets a net neutral on the infections.

What do you say, damo?

I am infected Town. For 1,000,000th time.

[ghug]

I've explained this a bazillion times. Scum worcej can allow infected town me to die because it reduces the town/mafia ratio and alien cannot win during the night as Mafia can hold their kill. Mafia (worcej) reveals the real alien tomorrow.

Got it?

D6 dk Damo
N6 no kill
D7 kill alien

They then go into N7 5-2 down they kill a clear (you or Fox say) and it goes to 4-2.
D8 dk worcej 4-1.
N8 nk another clear 3-1.

Go into d9 with:

a) Vecna, Maniac, rdr and ghug if Bob is alien
b) Bob, Vecna, rdr and Maniac if ghug is alien
c) Bob, Maniac, rdr and ghug if Vecna is alien

From there it's either town victory or miskill followed by draw.

Actually this is new. Scum could get an honourable draw. Well played worcej.

How's that a draw? We just lose on a miskill.

3-1 to town

miskill 2-1

scum NKs and it's 1-1.

Draw, no?

Lol what? Have you ever played an endgame before? Scum win if they have equal numbers, because they can force no-kills and kill at night.

[ghug]

I'm not opposed to killing Jamie if Damo is alien, but we need to be clear on the deal.

1 - everyone votes Damo today so no crazy manipulation can happen
2 - You guys hold your kill tonight
3 - we kill Jamie/Foxx tomorrow
4 - you nightkill the other??? Hardly seems fair

We can probably give you a non-pr and you can NK the other? Agreed?

What if damo gives up an infectee, we give scum that miskill first, and then kill damo tomorrow.

Worcej is guaranteed a miskill.
Damo is guaranteed to live one more day.
Town gets a net neutral on the infections.

What do you say, damo?

I am infected Town. For 1,000,000th time.

It's a good deal. You know you want to.

I thought you were above the whole performative self-voting nonsense.

[damo666]

How's that a draw? We just lose on a miskill.

3-1 to town

miskill 2-1

scum NKs and it's 1-1.

Draw, no?

Lol what? Have you ever played an endgame before? Scum win if they have equal numbers, because they can force no-kills and kill at night.

O.

I'm always dead by then lol