Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[BobMcBob]

I'm clear?


I see that you've corrected this further down, but it's too late. You've just dropped a couple spots on my town list.

i dont see how on earth that makes me less townie, but okay

If you're town, your understanding of towniness is based on information based in the thread, and as such would be "macca town" because of the clear. If you're scum, your understanding of towniness is fake, and based on information from a QT (your scum QT). If your knowledge is independent of the thread, then you might say something that may not align to what you know or should know, because they are different things.

This is a thing you should know, and your claimed ignorance of this drops you further down. In fact, over the line.

so... youre saying that if i was scum my knowledge of if you were townie would come exclusively from the mafia qt and i would be incapable of checking the thread to see information that was quite literally mechanically confirmed to every player in this game and would presumably be discussed somewhat in the maf qt due to the fact that they have a new townclear on their hands and so would just ignore the mech clear on you because i have a different and less accurate source of info?

[BobMcBob]

##gm note
Adjudication will be at 6pm est tomorrow. I guess that means it will be an hour earlier for some people?

I assume this means this is a 23 hour night. Is that right?

this is indeed what appears to be the case
i thought you were good at maths or something

[TheMadMonarch]

i dont see how on earth that makes me less townie, but okay

If you're town, your understanding of towniness is based on information based in the thread, and as such would be "macca town" because of the clear. If you're scum, your understanding of towniness is fake, and based on information from a QT (your scum QT). If your knowledge is independent of the thread, then you might say something that may not align to what you know or should know, because they are different things.

This is a thing you should know, and your claimed ignorance of this drops you further down. In fact, over the line.

so... youre saying that if i was scum my knowledge of if you were townie would come exclusively from the mafia qt and i would be incapable of checking the thread to see information that was quite literally mechanically confirmed to every player in this game and would presumably be discussed somewhat in the maf qt due to the fact that they have a new townclear on their hands and so would just ignore the mech clear on you because i have a different and less accurate source of info?

No. This is a willful misrepresentation of what I said.

[BobMcBob]

If you're town, your understanding of towniness is based on information based in the thread, and as such would be "macca town" because of the clear. If you're scum, your understanding of towniness is fake, and based on information from a QT (your scum QT). If your knowledge is independent of the thread, then you might say something that may not align to what you know or should know, because they are different things.

This is a thing you should know, and your claimed ignorance of this drops you further down. In fact, over the line.

so... youre saying that if i was scum my knowledge of if you were townie would come exclusively from the mafia qt and i would be incapable of checking the thread to see information that was quite literally mechanically confirmed to every player in this game and would presumably be discussed somewhat in the maf qt due to the fact that they have a new townclear on their hands and so would just ignore the mech clear on you because i have a different and less accurate source of info?

No. This is a willful misrepresentation of what I said.

so then what reason would i, as scum, have to ignore the mech clear on you that was quite clearly posted in the thread in favour of something else? because i quite literally cannot see what youre going for here

also do you have any reads?

[TheMadMonarch]

so... youre saying that if i was scum my knowledge of if you were townie would come exclusively from the mafia qt and i would be incapable of checking the thread to see information that was quite literally mechanically confirmed to every player in this game and would presumably be discussed somewhat in the maf qt due to the fact that they have a new townclear on their hands and so would just ignore the mech clear on you because i have a different and less accurate source of info?

No. This is a willful misrepresentation of what I said.

so then what reason would i, as scum, have to ignore the mech clear on you that was quite clearly posted in the thread in favour of something else? because i quite literally cannot see what youre going for here

also do you have any reads?

I'm saying it was an accident. One hard to do as town, but easy as maf



:)
Bona

bb
Worej


(other people are here(


Bunny
Vecna
(Jamie would be here, but no-cc holds out)
Bob

[rdrivera2005]

No. This is a willful misrepresentation of what I said.

so then what reason would i, as scum, have to ignore the mech clear on you that was quite clearly posted in the thread in favour of something else? because i quite literally cannot see what youre going for here

also do you have any reads?

I'm saying it was an accident. One hard to do as town, but easy as maf



:)
Bona

bb
Worej


(other people are here(


Bunny
Vecna
(Jamie would be here, but no-cc holds out)
Bob

Our clear have BB and Worcej as top town. Great, at least you will live longer.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am feeling very woozy as my body deals with the side effects of the vaccine.
I will try to catch up and respond to the latest situation butm y concentration is not good, so bearw with me w

[Jamiet99uk]

Huh I see only 3 pages in the plast 10 hours any way. You all disappoint me. Ok reading up anway.

[Jamiet99uk]

And then once you flip? I would be toasted.

Why?

You keep saying things that suggest you fundamentally misunderstand the mechanics of this setup.

No? Saying something that leads to the death of a town PR is not a good thing, as far as I am aware.

It's a good thing for scum, and I was theorising, at the time, that you were scum, hence "scum!macca". The poists in question occurred before your VT status was confirmed. Try to pay attention.

[Jamiet99uk]

Umm.... Are you cc'ing Jamie? Or admitting to being scum?

Pay attention. Bona scanned himself and got an "Area-51" result. This is impossible if he is the Deputy unless he is Paranoid or Insane.

Damo is saying he believes Bona's claim and is asserting that he is the same alignment as Bona. Thus he would also return an "Area-51" result if Bona scans him.

Do you see?

I do see, but it's a strange way to phrase it. Especially considering that just 2 messages up in this convo, it is mentioned the Jamie scanned as AREA-51, meaning the result flip isn't an inherent part of the conversation.

I would scan as Aeia 51 if he was Paranoid, and so would Damo, because everybody would.

[Jamiet99uk]

Technically there's a third option that the lawyer character targeted Bona night 1. This is VERY unlikely, but would also be devastating if it had happened.

Good observation.

[Jamiet99uk]

Umm.... Are you cc'ing Jamie? Or admitting to being scum?

You could take this as a scumslip (it's probably not), but if he was VT, then, he would scan as area-51 due to me being either paranoid (everyone is area-51) or insane (scans are backwards)

MACCA IS TOWN!! What are you talking about?

I assumed he was talking about Damo scumplipping

[Jamiet99uk]

We know you're town...

You do know. But you didn't at the time Jamie is referring to.

I will assume a PR claim is legit until there's a CC.

And if kgray was unfortunately the PR and Jamie/Bona is getting away with something, I'll pay off to that.

Um excuse me Bunny, Macca did NOT claim PR. Macca claimed to have a scanning item, the Pass. Macca is a VT and did not claim otherwise.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm talking to Macca about damo's message. I know Macca is town.

Dw Bona, I understood.

Ok...I've been drinking, and this is all over my head. I'm gonna go catch up now.

Nobody was trying to make a joke, you fruit fuck. You just can't read.

[Jamiet99uk]

Things I have seen in my catch-up:

BunnyGo struggling to understand very basic concepts and shouting about nothing because he can't read simple sentences, and then blaming alcohol. Odd because previously we've seen Drunk Bunny as an enthusiastic solver not this dribbling embarrassment. Then suddenly Bunny's posts on page 162 snap into ludicity and he starts to understand words again. Hm.

Some people correcting BunnyGo.

BobMcBob talking about his townread on Macca when Macca's alighnment ahd already been revealed. Slightly suspect.

Nobody else doing or saying anything useful.

Why is there so much absenteeism in this game?

Damo you have promised us a reads list. Hurry up.

Brainbomb your absence is unusual. What are you hiding from?

[BobMcBob]

No. This is a willful misrepresentation of what I said.

so then what reason would i, as scum, have to ignore the mech clear on you that was quite clearly posted in the thread in favour of something else? because i quite literally cannot see what youre going for here

also do you have any reads?

I'm saying it was an accident. One hard to do as town, but easy as maf



:)
Bona

bb
Worej


(other people are here(


Bunny
Vecna
(Jamie would be here, but no-cc holds out)
Bob

ok, this reads list is such a pile of garbage that im not even gonna bother with this anymore
i dont even have a clue how it would be easier to think you hadnt been cleared if I was mafia, but im not sure you do either
tbh i laughed really hard when bunny pointed out that i had posted alignment thoughts on a confirmed town

[Vecna]

There you go

Good job throwing the game

Stiil, you sit on a bizarre townread of Foxcastle and did nothing.

"Bizarre townread"

How is it more bizarre than any other townread? Why do you have such a strong opinion on him?

Why dont you explain your read more and try to convince me?

[Vecna]

The way this is playing out makes me heavily suspect that lfischl is town right now. He seems perfectly content with his death right now and has seemingly left knowing that he won't be around to change perceptions by EoD. If he was trying for a WIFOM play as scum, this is really going all in.

And I'm not convinced that getting flip info on someone is worth killing lfischl for. It sucks to waste our herbs, but I'm not loving the thought that we're killing town here.

Celaph and rd both look good for opposing this (only quoting celaph cause I'm lazy.

Not like they were the only ones. Selective reasoning there Ghug

[Vecna]

You forget to wonder why scum would do that though Jamiet.

Town do stupid scummy-looking shit all the time. You ought to know that by now.

Scum are much more careful about that type of shit and just wanna charm their way into your panties. You definitely ought to know -that- by now.

Anyways, im done arguing this. I dont even feel strongly about it. Killing lfischl is a great way to at least eliminate a wasted vote going forward if he is town.

So unexcited though.

The Fox townread annoys me, and I'd like him to explain it, but Vecna's approach here is very townie.

strike my last comment I guess

[Vecna]

@Ghug, cut the self-righteousness please. You weren't exactly devoting much time and energy to pushing the Foxcastle wagon. You were a bit of a non-entity most of D2 tbh.

I'm on vacation. This is well established. I gave the right answer on lfischl last night, and I didn't loudly announce that I'd be away at EoD so people wouldn't kill me.

How did you establish for us all that you were away on vacation without announcing it?

Telepathy?

he did state it, but I had also forgotten