Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Maniac]

Assuming scum know who the alien is this is what worceJ and his buddy were faced with when it was worceJ turn to decide on Bob.

If Bob is secretary then killing Bob is game over as Rdr and I become town clears as we can’t be the item thief. So worceJ has to make the play he does regardless of if they know who alien is.

If Bob is town then from and scum know who alien is then why not take a chance on Bob being infected? If they are right they hold their kill or kill Damo if they think he isn’t alien. They are in much better shape than exposing worceJ today.

If Bob is know to be the alien, they had to let him die today and scum to remain hidden.

My guess is that Bob is the secretary and this is a desperate move to save him. They don’t care about the alien any longer.

[Jamiet99uk]

If Bob is town then from and scum know who alien is then why not take a chance on Bob being infected?

"then from and" ?

[Jamiet99uk]

@worcej reveal alien now and NK me tonight.

You then still have a reasonable chance and we get rid of the alien.

I have. And we already tried to NK you.

I told you earlier - you can stop acting now.

Why did you try to nightkill damo?

Yes, Worcej, why target Damo?

[Vecna]

Hard claiming scum is not a move scum take lightly.

At some point we have to ask ourselves why worceJ in effect derailed a straight-eight vote on Bob. Obv if Bob is secretary then it’s scum game over.

If Bob is town wouldn’t scum have just taken a punt on Bob being infected? Kill/no kill tonight and then reveal alien if they know who it is tomorrow?

This is an interesting point. Damo's right that scum didn't need to kill alien today, but it also doesn't seem like they'd out themselves to save the alien. Maybe they just didn't realize they didn't actually need to kill the alien today?

Having exactly 50% of the remaining players infected for the remainder of the game, and only if they do not nightkill, with the only way to get rid of em being a NK or the fox use?

Not a great strategy

[Vecna]

(Seriously, are people still this unaware that Fox claimed shaman? That he communed with dead bona, and that there was a copscan on me? I can only be scum if Fox is also scum).

Isn't there a chance that you were lawyered the night Bona scanned you? I'm not actually double checking the mechanics on that and I think it's a negligible possibility. For all intents and purposes, I'm not entertaining any idea that Vecna is scum and don't think it's a useful discussion.

Why's it negligible? If the remaining scum are thamrick, Vecna, and worcej, I know which one I'm lawyering.

Wasnt tham jailkept that night though?

Theres an argument to be made that if youre gonna have Tham be quiet, not use the jail on anyone else and pretend he is jailed, that you actually jail him. You know, with the items that were around that the scum wasnt aware of. Like the one Bona claimed to have.

Anyways, its not that super important. I guess its possible I was a lawyered scum. sad. or whatever.

[ghug]

Hard claiming scum is not a move scum take lightly.

At some point we have to ask ourselves why worceJ in effect derailed a straight-eight vote on Bob. Obv if Bob is secretary then it’s scum game over.

If Bob is town wouldn’t scum have just taken a punt on Bob being infected? Kill/no kill tonight and then reveal alien if they know who it is tomorrow?

This is an interesting point. Damo's right that scum didn't need to kill alien today, but it also doesn't seem like they'd out themselves to save the alien. Maybe they just didn't realize they didn't actually need to kill the alien today?

Having exactly 50% of the remaining players infected for the remainder of the game, and only if they do not nightkill, with the only way to get rid of em being a NK or the fox use?

Not a great strategy

There's also the daykill, which I'm sure scum would love to have a potential use that isn't killing them.

[ghug]

Isn't there a chance that you were lawyered the night Bona scanned you? I'm not actually double checking the mechanics on that and I think it's a negligible possibility. For all intents and purposes, I'm not entertaining any idea that Vecna is scum and don't think it's a useful discussion.

Why's it negligible? If the remaining scum are thamrick, Vecna, and worcej, I know which one I'm lawyering.

Wasnt tham jailkept that night though?

Theres an argument to be made that if youre gonna have Tham be quiet, not use the jail on anyone else and pretend he is jailed, that you actually jail him. You know, with the items that were around that the scum wasnt aware of. Like the one Bona claimed to have.

Anyways, its not that super important. I guess its possible I was a lawyered scum. sad. or whatever.

Bona died after brain.

I highly doubt scum would actually jail one of their own with a useful power. If you're gonna do that, you're better off trying to clear the secretary or the jailer themself.

[Vecna]

lol, I may just have some sickening sweet spot for Damo, but he sure is trying hard here lol.

Im really hoping that this isnt a case of alien Worcej just making a powerplay and scum doing a /popcorn. It really doesnt feel that way from Worcej''s part at least, since his irritation feels pretty genuine.

Maybe a scum that just wants to see the world burn ploy? Theres no reason for scum not to take the tiniest chance for them to still win the game, even if it burns all of towns chances and gives the alien like a 95% chance.

Anyways, its probably just my paranoia talking. Guess im a sucker for damo's yapping. If only we had just killed his ass yesterday over Celaph.

[ghug]

lol, I may just have some sickening sweet spot for Damo, but he sure is trying hard here lol.

Im really hoping that this isnt a case of alien Worcej just making a powerplay and scum doing a /popcorn. It really doesnt feel that way from Worcej''s part at least, since his irritation feels pretty genuine.

Maybe a scum that just wants to see the world burn ploy? Theres no reason for scum not to take the tiniest chance for them to still win the game, even if it burns all of towns chances and gives the alien like a 95% chance.

Anyways, its probably just my paranoia talking. Guess im a sucker for damo's yapping. If only we had just killed his ass yesterday over Celaph.

It really only makes sense to me as an alien play if he's picking someone uninfected. Damo seemed likely to die anyway today, and worcej was behind a fair number of people on the pecking order, so he wouldn't be gaining anything.

[President Eden]

VOTE COUNT UPDATE THE nTH: WOW GOLLY GEE IT SURE IS LATE IN THIS HERE GAME EH? EDITION

damo666 (8): ghug, worcej, BobMcBob, Vecna, Maniac, rdrivera2005, Foxcastle, Jamiet99uk
ghug (1): damo666

Currently y'all are set to proceed to the Elite Eight without damo666, who will be unceremoniously ejected from The Big Dance in 02h06m.

No change in votes. 55m remain.

[damo666]

@worcej reveal alien now and NK me tonight.

You then still have a reasonable chance and we get rid of the alien.

I have. And we already tried to NK you.

I told you earlier - you can stop acting now.

Why did you try to nightkill damo?

He didn't as you may well be aware

[Jamiet99uk]

It's quiet, isn't it?

[ghug]

It's quiet, isn't it?

It is.

[rdrivera2005]

lol, I may just have some sickening sweet spot for Damo, but he sure is trying hard here lol.

Im really hoping that this isnt a case of alien Worcej just making a powerplay and scum doing a /popcorn. It really doesnt feel that way from Worcej''s part at least, since his irritation feels pretty genuine.

Maybe a scum that just wants to see the world burn ploy? Theres no reason for scum not to take the tiniest chance for them to still win the game, even if it burns all of towns chances and gives the alien like a 95% chance.

Anyways, its probably just my paranoia talking. Guess im a sucker for damo's yapping. If only we had just killed his ass yesterday over Celaph.

I am pretty sure Worcej is scum. Not so sure Damo is Alien, but at this point we need to kill him anyway.

[damo666]

##vote damo

good luck town

keep up an infection count

kill worcej as soon as you can afford

[Foxcastle]

I don't see how Worcej is anything but scum taking Vecna up on his offer, but if he's not, he's the alien and he'll go tomorrow.

[ND]

##phase has ended##

[ND]

##DAY 6##
Final Count

Damo666(9): ghug, worcej, BobMcBob,Vecna,Maniac,rdrivera2005,Foxcastle,Jamiet99uk, damo666

End-votes (1/9): worcej

Please PM me if you see any issues.

[ND]

##Day 6##
Result

Static //-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------//------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ incoming fax report -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------// static

Damo666 has DIED. He was a VANILLA TOWNIE.

Night 6 has begun
You have 24 hours
##gm note
You can send any pm’s to me and President Eden until Darg is back.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Day 6##
Result

Static //-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------//------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ incoming fax report -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------// static

Damo666 has DIED. He was a VANILLA TOWNIE.

Night 6 has begun
You have 24 hours
##gm note
You can send any pm’s to me and President Eden until Darg is back.

RIP Damo

This flavour is thinner than a thin thing, that is thin. "Dreamland" indeed.

What was that all about exactly, Worcej?