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Question for GMs:

Does using ANY item count as an "action" or only the items specified (e.g. Bulletproof vest clearly says it is an action, but is Containment field? Or Satellite Phones?

Do people start with items? I don't see a way for people to acquire them, only for the mafia thief guy to steal them.

My schedule won't appreciate my playing another mafia game, but I guess my mouse slipped and I'm now signing up.


1. Ghug
2. Jamiet99uk
3. Donny Dude the camper
4. Brain 'Tourettes' Fbomb
5. damo666
6. Hellenic Riot
7. lfischl
8. BobMcBob
9. BunnyGo (He/Him/His)
10. Maniac (He/Him/His/Handsome)
11. Rdrivera2005
12. V(squawk)ecna
13. jasnah
14. kgray
15. thamrick
16. bona
17. celaph

celaph wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:59 pm

My schedule won't appreciate my playing another mafia game, but I guess my mouse slipped and I'm now signing up.


1. Ghug
2. Jamiet99uk
3. Donny Dude the camper
4. Brain 'Tourettes' Fbomb
5. damo666
6. Hellenic Riot
7. lfischl
8. BobMcBob
9. BunnyGo (He/Him/His)
10. Maniac (He/Him/His/Handsome)
11. Rdrivera2005
12. V(squawk)ecna
13. jasnah
14. kgray
15. thamrick
16. bona
17. celaph

just do lots of linky links

1. Ghug
2. Jamiet99uk
3. Donny Dude the camper
4. Brain 'Tourettes' Fbomb
5. damo666
6. Hellenic Riot
7. lfischl
8. BobMcBob
9. BunnyGo (He/Him/His)
10. Maniac (He/Him/His/Handsome)
11. Rdrivera2005
12. V(squawk)ecna
13. jasnah
14. kgray
15. thamrick
16. bona
17. celaph
18. bozo

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:55 pm

Do people start with items? I don't see a way for people to acquire them, only for the mafia thief guy to steal them.

Yes. Some items are randomly distributed at the start of the game.

@ND / Darg - please make sure this is clear in the setup info when the game starts.

1) Most items count as an action if they are used during the night phase. I believe the phone may be the only item that doesn't constitute an action.

2) 'Do people start with items?' Yes, most players start with an item. If you are a role that doesn't start with an item it's labeled as such in the setup information.

item madness is fun

ND wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:46 pm

1) Most items count as an action if they are used during the night phase. I believe the phone may be the only item that doesn't constitute an action.

2) 'Do people start with items?' Yes, most players start with an item. If you are a role that doesn't start with an item it's labeled as such in the setup information.

Ok. Thanks!

btw, the alien reads as mega-overpowered

A kill immune SK if you choose to kill

A mindcontrolling super-power if you jizz all over the campers

It can do the same thing any normal SK can do, but has the alternative wincon in the DNA infections. So flexible. Way too strong for a 3p faction lol.

But itll be glorious no doubt.

Immune to certain scans if you kill. Controlling 3 votes most of the time if you infect a few people.

Unless it gets caught early by bad play/scan/mafia NK and is outed, its gonna run rampant and teabag all over this game.

Given that normal SK's are super underpowered and very painful to play as, that's probably a good thing. The number of players is also pretty high so it'll take longer to reach a victory.

Well just a note on that point. The Alien is meant to be powerful since it has to compete against two other factions. It's not meant to be some kind of a novelty role. In the first iteration of this game (dreamland I) which I ran almost two years ago the Alien was pretty underpowered and I got a lot of feedback to strengthen it somewhat.

The SK is one of 24 players. It should have an 1/24 win-chance given everyone plays at equal skill level.

This SK design is probably closer to 1 in 4-6

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:34 am

The SK is one of 24 players. It should have an 1/24 win-chance given everyone plays at equal skill level.

This SK design is probably closer to 1 in 4-6

Over thousands of games of tranditional mafia using just town and mafia teams a players expected win rate will be 1:2. I don’t know where you would get the 1:24 ratio from?

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:34 am

The SK is one of 24 players. It should have an 1/24 win-chance given everyone plays at equal skill level.

This SK design is probably closer to 1 in 4-6

That calculation only makes sense if the game consists of 24 independently-aligned roles with no team factions.

You are the VANILLA TOWNIE. You win when the Mafia, Serial Killer, and all other Town players are dead.

That would be a tough wincon.

To expand on what Maniac and I are saying, Vecna's 1-in-24 assumption works in a game with 24 Serial Killers but doesn't account for the other players (a) playing as teams, and (b) trying to defeat each other, as well as the SK who, at least early on, should be able to blend in.

That said, the Alien does become very powerful if it gets good results in the first 3 - 4 days, and it will be in both Town and Mafia's interests to try to defeat the Alien.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:58 am

Vecna wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:34 am

The SK is one of 24 players. It should have an 1/24 win-chance given everyone plays at equal skill level.

This SK design is probably closer to 1 in 4-6

That calculation only makes sense if the game consists of 24 independently-aligned roles with no team factions.

You are the VANILLA TOWNIE. You win when the Mafia, Serial Killer, and all other Town players are dead.

That would be a tough wincon.

a new setup idea
CHAOS MAFIA
32 independent alignments compete against each other for dominance

Question: can the alien "infect" themselves so that they can appear to control their own vote?

1. Ghug
2. Jamiet99uk
3. Donny Dude the camper
4. Brain 'Tourettes' Fbomb
5. damo666
6. Hellenic Riot
7. lfischl
8. BobMcBob
9. BunnyGo (He/Him/His)
10. Maniac (He/Him/His/Handsome)
11. Rdrivera2005
12. V(squawk)ecna
13. jasnah
14. kgray
15. thamrick
16. bona
17. celaph
18. bozo
19. Ezio

I fear I'm tempting fate by joining a setup with not one, but TWO guns that can shoot me.