MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

I have not noticed a Roleblock claim

The lack of such a claim would indicate one of the following:

either Macca is alien

or

Alien probe targeted one of the very few Mafia who are not claiming in order to get Macca daykilled.

I suspect the former

Can you explain the logic on the former?

Macca wasn't RBd . He was HRs teammate.

Theoretically

[BobMcBob]

I have not noticed a Roleblock claim

The lack of such a claim would indicate one of the following:

either Macca is alien

or

Alien probe targeted one of the very few Mafia who are not claiming in order to get Macca daykilled.

I suspect the former

Or:
They roleblocked a VT (or hider???), so they didn't receive a roleblock notification ##Call GM is this how roleblock notifications work?

Or:
The roleblocked person has for whatever reason forgotten/decided not to claim (we haven't had docsave claim yet)

Why do you assume that those are the only two options?

The two most likely options until we hear of a claim.

Ghug claimed RB N1 so unless he is lying too there is a blocker in play. I strongly believe ghug was not lying.

In this case why do you propose that Macca is alien? Do we assume that aliens decided to withhold the RB two nights in a row/use it on aliens just to mess with us? Otherwise where did the roleblock go? I can't see how you drew the conclusion macca is likely alien, unless ghug is too.

[BunnyGo]

Or:
They roleblocked a VT (or hider???), so they didn't receive a roleblock notification ##Call GM is this how roleblock notifications work?

Or:
The roleblocked person has for whatever reason forgotten/decided not to claim (we haven't had docsave claim yet)

Why do you assume that those are the only two options?

The two most likely options until we hear of a claim.

Ghug claimed RB N1 so unless he is lying too there is a blocker in play. I strongly believe ghug was not lying.

In this case why do you propose that Macca is alien? Do we assume that aliens decided to withhold the RB two nights in a row/use it on aliens just to mess with us? Otherwise where did the roleblock go? I can't see how you drew the conclusion macca is likely alien, unless ghug is too.

Mafia underdog?

[celaph]

I'll concede the first point. I clearly like my argument more than you do, but I also wouldn't mind a vote on either Vecna or Maniac.

So then why were you making such a substantial push on macca as a counterwagon? Did you not want to offer up a teammate?

Yes, I said that I would defend them until I die.

They have both been acting really differently than I would expect from either of them. I prefer the latter to the fomer, but they're more meh wagons. Vecna is only here because of his inactivity and Maniac is yoyoing in my reads list between normal Maniac scummyness and weirdly insight Maniac that I suspect knows too much.

[BobMcBob]

were demanding macca claim

Why Macca and not celaph?

because were defo killing celaph anyway and id like to learn a few more details today

But why macca in particular?

[damo666]

This is important.

If dayvig killed Bozo (or attempted to kill me) please claim.

Do not be embarrassed. It would be very helpful.

[BobMcBob]

The two most likely options until we hear of a claim.

Ghug claimed RB N1 so unless he is lying too there is a blocker in play. I strongly believe ghug was not lying.

In this case why do you propose that Macca is alien? Do we assume that aliens decided to withhold the RB two nights in a row/use it on aliens just to mess with us? Otherwise where did the roleblock go? I can't see how you drew the conclusion macca is likely alien, unless ghug is too.

Mafia underdog?

Possible, but seems like a stretch, and wasn't included in damo's argument.

[BunnyGo]

@celaph

You didn’t town read ANYONE enough to prevent a speed wagon D2? Just sat on your power?

Remind me again what you discarded?

[damo666]

The two most likely options until we hear of a claim.

Ghug claimed RB N1 so unless he is lying too there is a blocker in play. I strongly believe ghug was not lying.

In this case why do you propose that Macca is alien? Do we assume that aliens decided to withhold the RB two nights in a row/use it on aliens just to mess with us? Otherwise where did the roleblock go? I can't see how you drew the conclusion macca is likely alien, unless ghug is too.

Mafia underdog?

Got to think about this again.

Anyway if anyone was RBd I think they should claim.

[BobMcBob]

macca
claim
your
role

I can say with near certainty you won't get it until this time tomorrow, maybe 16 hours if macca decides to do double post bombs.

[BobMcBob]

In this case why do you propose that Macca is alien? Do we assume that aliens decided to withhold the RB two nights in a row/use it on aliens just to mess with us? Otherwise where did the roleblock go? I can't see how you drew the conclusion macca is likely alien, unless ghug is too.

Mafia underdog?

Got to think about this again.

Anyway if anyone was RBd I think they should claim.

Agreed. It would help a lot right now.

[Maniac]

So then why were you making such a substantial push on macca as a counterwagon? Did you not want to offer up a teammate?

Yes, I said that I would defend them until I die.

They have both been acting really differently than I would expect from either of them. I prefer the latter to the fomer, but they're more meh wagons. Vecna is only here because of his inactivity and Maniac is yoyoing in my reads list between normal Maniac scummyness and weirdly insight Maniac that I suspect knows too much.

I’m weirdly insightful? I’m what way? Do you mean by hard reading you as an alien or catching Kgray as your alien buddy?

@Damo - I hard claim non-vanilla. Bearing in mind I discarded commuter, that should’ve been obvious and with respect you wasted a scan.

[BobMcBob]

KING'S HAWAIIAN AND IT'S A HILL I WILL DIE ON.

Should I know what this is?

See? Conf!scum.

##vote ghug

[damo666]

In this case why do you propose that Macca is alien? Do we assume that aliens decided to withhold the RB two nights in a row/use it on aliens just to mess with us? Otherwise where did the roleblock go? I can't see how you drew the conclusion macca is likely alien, unless ghug is too.

Mafia underdog?

Possible, but seems like a stretch, and wasn't included in damo's argument.

If underdog blocked Macca they would not be suspect but how would HR know? Or did he get lucky. Nobody ccd Macca.

But then who blocked ghug N1.

Underdog only 1 block right?

[BobMcBob]

I thought you were a mason.

no im kgrays lover

I'm so sorry, kgray.

This seems very thoughtful and considerate.
##vote celaph

[damo666]

Yes, I said that I would defend them until I die.

They have both been acting really differently than I would expect from either of them. I prefer the latter to the fomer, but they're more meh wagons. Vecna is only here because of his inactivity and Maniac is yoyoing in my reads list between normal Maniac scummyness and weirdly insight Maniac that I suspect knows too much.

I’m weirdly insightful? I’m what way? Do you mean by hard reading you as an alien or catching Kgray as your alien buddy?

@Damo - I hard claim non-vanilla. Bearing in mind I discarded commuter, that should’ve been obvious and with respect you wasted a scan.

I assumed you were non Van. I was testing for psychtrooper. Being parrotted was a bonus.

[celaph]

I have not noticed a Roleblock claim

The lack of such a claim would indicate one of the following:

either Macca is alien

or

Alien probe targeted one of the very few Mafia who are not claiming in order to get Macca daykilled.

I suspect the former

Can you explain the logic on the former?

Macca wasn't RBd . They were HRs teammate.

Are you arguing that the ghug N1 RB was from something other than prober? I think it would be really risky for aliens to fake claim RB'd without a prober to RB people for this exact reason.

[BobMcBob]

Mafia underdog?

Possible, but seems like a stretch, and wasn't included in damo's argument.

If underdog blocked Macca they would not be suspect but how would HR know? Or did he get lucky. Nobody ccd Macca.

But then who blocked ghug N1.

Underdog only 1 block right?

Correct, only 1 block. It's extremely unlikely that it would turn out like this. Macca was most likely blocked by prober imo.

[damo666]

Should I know what this is?

See? Conf!scum.

##vote ghug

Silly

[damo666]

Can you explain the logic on the former?

Macca wasn't RBd . They were HRs teammate.

Are you arguing that the ghug N1 RB was from something other than prober? I think it would be really risky for aliens to fake claim RB'd without a prober to RB people for this exact reason.

Probed ghug N1. Held N2.

Unlikely to be fair.