MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

No, first you tell me why you think I'd switch from scumreading someone to calling them obvtown for basically no reason if they suddenly become my scumbuddy. That's trash and you know I'd never do that.

[Hamilton Brian]

I guess I shouldn't ask that.

[Hellenic Riot]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

I don't really see one, but if we don't kill you, there becomes one, so we're killing you.

How? Even if you don't kill me, how on earth is that beneficial? You're saying that I took a gigantic gambit to draw *ALL THE ATTENTION* onto myself, just so that I could talk myself off of it for a day or two? Like... How is that your best argument

[ghug]

##UNEND

We don't lose anything waiting a couple hours on the off chance somebody can actually clear him.

[Hellenic Riot]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

No, first you tell me why you think I'd switch from scumreading someone to calling them obvtown for basically no reason if they suddenly become my scumbuddy. That's trash and you know I'd never do that.

Given I repeatedly said I think you're actually quite easy to read as scum in the last game you were scum, I don't know why you think I'd put that above you

[jasnah]

You've literally never played this game before

Does that make my vote count less?

[ghug]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

I don't really see one, but if we don't kill you, there becomes one, so we're killing you.

How? Even if you don't kill me, how on earth is that beneficial? You're saying that I took a gigantic gambit to draw *ALL THE ATTENTION* onto myself, just so that I could talk myself off of it for a day or two? Like... How is that your best argument

You tie, you fry.

[BunnyGo]

I found that HR post utterly convincing about rdr. I'm less sure about the 2nd effect of kgray being scum (easily believable as town who doesn't scumread rdr). But in addition to HR's points about rdr:

1) rdr has been killed early and often as town in recent games. I get the impression he wants a respite from that. And this game is perfect for it with the half-open nature.

2) He has contributed even less than I'd expect, while also being somewhat clued in for someone who doesn't have time to read nearly 300 pages. Seems like he might be getting a distilled version somewhere.

All that said: ##vote HR
##end

Also, what night activities are we claiming now? RB? Vote block? Vanilla-ized? Doc-saved? Those seem reasonable to me. But want group opinion. Those that seem less reasonable (but group opinion welcome): loud visits, Parrot visits (if known).

I think I listed all things that someone may have been alerted to.

If nobody was saved last night: Was the first kill the alien's using their factional? Is SK/mafia holstering their kills? Not sure the implications.

[kgray]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

No, first you tell me why you think I'd switch from scumreading someone to calling them obvtown for basically no reason if they suddenly become my scumbuddy. That's trash and you know I'd never do that.

Given I repeatedly said I think you're actually quite easy to read as scum in the last game you were scum, I don't know why you think I'd put that above you

You're so full of yourself. If you're town you should never play again either.

[Hellenic Riot]

Lmao

Is there a reason we should not kill you hr?

Fair and precise question. I still think the tie vote was egregious but I am willing to hear them out on it.

Who got blocked?

I don't think the tie was a bad thing. As I pointed out in my scum team averages post yesterday regarding the info-flipping, there's probably 3-4 mafia, maybe 5 or even 6 aliens, and a potential serial killer. That's 8-10 scum in all likelihood, probably closer to 8. Which means that with 19 living players we're already at our final day of having a majority, and even in better scenarios we're probably only one miskill away from losing it. There's a strong chance we lose our plurality as early as D4 if things go badly. So when I got a townread on celaph during that EoD, and already saw no reason whatsoever for Ezio to lie, I decided a tie was better for us. And I think I was right. And it got to piss you all off. Win/Win/Win.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 3.0

Hellenic Riot (7) - kgray*, DemonRHK*, ghug, Bonatogether*, jasnah*, Donny Dude*, BunnyGo*

Currently HELLENIC RIOT is set to be expunged, with 6 end*votes (of 10 required).

Thousands and thousands of seconds remain in D3.

[Hellenic Riot]

No, first you tell me why you think I'd switch from scumreading someone to calling them obvtown for basically no reason if they suddenly become my scumbuddy. That's trash and you know I'd never do that.

Given I repeatedly said I think you're actually quite easy to read as scum in the last game you were scum, I don't know why you think I'd put that above you

You're so full of yourself. If you're town you should never play again either.

Please stop making this all about you

[BunnyGo]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

I've been trying to and asking people to. But your 3 posts last night I just don't get as anything but a meltdown for unspecified reasons.

I can't come up with town motivation either...

Are you a lover and celaph is your mate?

Are you both masons?

[DemonRHK]

Lmao

Is there a reason we should not kill you hr?

I'm not an especially useful role, but someone here can clear me, so I am ambivalent. What do you think were my scum motivations there?

Horseshit

[kgray]

Given I repeatedly said I think you're actually quite easy to read as scum in the last game you were scum, I don't know why you think I'd put that above you

You're so full of yourself. If you're town you should never play again either.

Please stop making this all about you

YOU made this about me!

[ghug]

Is there a reason we should not kill you hr?

Fair and precise question. I still think the tie vote was egregious but I am willing to hear them out on it.

Who got blocked?

I don't think the tie was a bad thing. As I pointed out in my scum team averages post yesterday regarding the info-flipping, there's probably 3-4 mafia, maybe 5 or even 6 aliens, and a potential serial killer. That's 8-10 scum in all likelihood, probably closer to 8. Which means that with 19 living players we're already at our final day of having a majority, and even in better scenarios we're probably only one miskill away from losing it. There's a strong chance we lose our plurality as early as D4 if things go badly. So when I got a townread on celaph during that EoD, and already saw no reason whatsoever for Ezio to lie, I decided a tie was better for us. And I think I was right. And it got to piss you all off. Win/Win/Win.

Except that you know intentionally tying a vote means you'll be killed next, and scum will get an extra night of actions, so there's no way you actually believe this.

[Donny Dude]

Lmao

Is there a reason we should not kill you hr?

I'm not an especially useful role, but someone here can clear me, so I am ambivalent. What do you think were my scum motivations there?

Oh, really? ##unend At least I will hear it out

[BunnyGo]

Lmao

Is there a reason we should not kill you hr?

I'm not an especially useful role, but someone here can clear me, so I am ambivalent. What do you think were my scum motivations there?

##unend what?

[rdrivera2005]

So while you're all here, come and answer one question:

What on earth is my scum motivation for, well, anything that happened at the EoD?

Come up with a convincing answer and I'll even self-hammer

The reasoning you presented that you tied the vote to teach town a lesson is egregious. You don't hurt your team odds to win to teach a lesson this is utterly bullshit.
Faking a scan or whatever on Kgray closer to EOD is also scummy. I just can't see a town motivation for it. I can see a scum motivation if you thought you might be the DK or if you think you can get away with it (which I believe you can try).
There is no way you won't be a DK unless you can clear yourself.

But I don't want to end so fast. Give some time for everyone participate.

##vote HR

[kgray]

Is there a reason we should not kill you hr?

I'm not an especially useful role, but someone here can clear me, so I am ambivalent. What do you think were my scum motivations there?

##unend what?

How can you believe this?