MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

What amount of certainty do we have with Celaph's scans? WOuld there be an alien motivation to lie? I imagine so; their aim in the game is eliminating all non-alien factions.

Maybe take the alien reads with a grain of salt?

Jasnah and/or Maniac could be alien if celaph covering.

The only alien role ghug could be is sypmathiser.

Damo, I think you should scan me

Why would that help? If you’re a PR, then it doesn’t clear you. If you’re vanilla you could be sympathizer.

[rdrivera2005]

Also, the masons are not 100% on everything having already gotten some medium to big things wrong, so I'm not saying we need to start a wagon on rdrivera, but the independent-minded town among us would do well to remember bb's own caveat that he's a "99.99%" not a sure thing.

At this point I can also be confirmed by Damo, but I guess there is some convoluted scenario where I can be the most lucky scum ever (not an Alien).

[damo666]

Also, the masons are not 100% on everything having already gotten some medium to big things wrong, so I'm not saying we need to start a wagon on rdrivera, but the independent-minded town among us would do well to remember bb's own caveat that he's a "99.99%" not a sure thing.

At this point I can also be confirmed by Damo, but I guess there is some convoluted scenario where I can be the most lucky scum ever (not an Alien).

rdr is 100% clear

[damo666]

@ damo Maniac and I are scanned by Vecna, not celaph

Sorry and thanks for corrected post

[BunnyGo]

Also, the masons are not 100% on everything having already gotten some medium to big things wrong, so I'm not saying we need to start a wagon on rdrivera, but the independent-minded town among us would do well to remember bb's own caveat that he's a "99.99%" not a sure thing.

At this point I can also be confirmed by Damo, but I guess there is some convoluted scenario where I can be the most lucky scum ever (not an Alien).

You could be.

Vecna could get you to 100%

[damo666]

Jasnah and/or Maniac could be alien if celaph covering.

The only alien role ghug could be is sypmathiser.

Damo, I think you should scan me

Why would that help? If you’re a PR, then it doesn’t clear you. If you’re vanilla you could be sympathizer.

I got no vanilla claimants left to scan anyway, so .....

[Donny Dude]

I am also a nonmafia clear.

[damo666]

Also, the masons are not 100% on everything having already gotten some medium to big things wrong, so I'm not saying we need to start a wagon on rdrivera, but the independent-minded town among us would do well to remember bb's own caveat that he's a "99.99%" not a sure thing.

At this point I can also be confirmed by Damo, but I guess there is some convoluted scenario where I can be the most lucky scum ever (not an Alien).

You could be.

Vecna could get you to 100%

True. There is a mafia role just possible for rdr. So Vecna could report a non Maf scan. But that is still not 100% since we are not 100% certain of Vecna.

[damo666]

I am also a nonmafia clear.

Sorry. Was that by Vecna?

[Donny Dude]

I am also a nonmafia clear.

Sorry. Was that by Vecna?

Yes

[damo666]

CLEARS


Brain Mason
DemonRHK Mason

NEAR CLEARS


rdr cleared by Masons and me
damo Vanilla Cop - no reveals refuted, exposed psycho

CLEARISH


Vecna Cop - no claims refuted but no other supporting evidence
ghug - claims vt, confirmed vanilla by me, [and non Maf by celaph], undisputed N1 RB claim

Probably Town but might just be Mafia


Bona - claims vt, confirmed vanilla by me, Day 1 voting


Scanned non Maf by Vecna

EMC
Jasnah
Maniac claims town commuter (confirmed non Vanilla by me)
Donny claims Town Lover

Scanned non maf by celaph

Ezio - claims town PR

Claims with no further evidence


Bob claims town PR
Bunny claims town PR
HamB claims holds or discarded town doctor

updated

[ghug]

@Damo - an independent observer would put me clearer than Ghug.

Ghug is cleared of Mafia by a known scum
Maniac is cleared of Mafia by assumed town PR
Ghug can still be the SK
Maniac can not be SK unless Damo is lying
Ghug can be alien set up early to run deep
Maniac’a VCA before Celaph was exposed should speak for itself. Yes I could have been busing such a high value role in a game where bussing doesn’t gain any town cred because their are 3/4 factions.

I know this isn’t important yet as there are better daykills than me or Ghug, but I need to ensure those town clears understand the range of possibilities for people like Ghug.

Why can't you be SK?

[Hamilton Brian]

Has Damo been scanned by anyone?

Maniac, would that read as, "Maniac can be SK if Damo is lying?"

If we disregard anything that Celaph shared with us, that doesn't put us any further behind, right?

[Maniac]

@Damo - an independent observer would put me clearer than Ghug.

Ghug is cleared of Mafia by a known scum
Maniac is cleared of Mafia by assumed town PR
Ghug can still be the SK
Maniac can not be SK unless Damo is lying
Ghug can be alien set up early to run deep
Maniac’a VCA before Celaph was exposed should speak for itself. Yes I could have been busing such a high value role in a game where bussing doesn’t gain any town cred because their are 3/4 factions.

I know this isn’t important yet as there are better daykills than me or Ghug, but I need to ensure those town clears understand the range of possibilities for people like Ghug.

Why can't you be SK?

Damo has me as non-vanilla, so if Damo is who he says he is and telling the truth I can’t be SK. Plus, of course, that’s not what my PM says.

[ghug]

@Damo - an independent observer would put me clearer than Ghug.

Ghug is cleared of Mafia by a known scum
Maniac is cleared of Mafia by assumed town PR
Ghug can still be the SK
Maniac can not be SK unless Damo is lying
Ghug can be alien set up early to run deep
Maniac’a VCA before Celaph was exposed should speak for itself. Yes I could have been busing such a high value role in a game where bussing doesn’t gain any town cred because their are 3/4 factions.

I know this isn’t important yet as there are better daykills than me or Ghug, but I need to ensure those town clears understand the range of possibilities for people like Ghug.

Why can't you be SK?

Damo has me as non-vanilla, so if Damo is who he says he is and telling the truth I can’t be SK. Plus, of course, that’s not what my PM says.

Why the hell would the SK be vanilla?

[BunnyGo]

@Damo - an independent observer would put me clearer than Ghug.

Ghug is cleared of Mafia by a known scum
Maniac is cleared of Mafia by assumed town PR
Ghug can still be the SK
Maniac can not be SK unless Damo is lying
Ghug can be alien set up early to run deep
Maniac’a VCA before Celaph was exposed should speak for itself. Yes I could have been busing such a high value role in a game where bussing doesn’t gain any town cred because their are 3/4 factions.

I know this isn’t important yet as there are better daykills than me or Ghug, but I need to ensure those town clears understand the range of possibilities for people like Ghug.

Why can't you be SK?

Damo scanned him as powered.

[BunnyGo]

Why can't you be SK?

Damo has me as non-vanilla, so if Damo is who he says he is and telling the truth I can’t be SK. Plus, of course, that’s not what my PM says.

Why the hell would the SK be vanilla?

SK has no powers but factional. It was needed so that the vanillaizer couldn't nerf an SK

[damo666]

Why can't you be SK?

Damo has me as non-vanilla, so if Damo is who he says he is and telling the truth I can’t be SK. Plus, of course, that’s not what my PM says.

Why the hell would the SK be vanilla?

The SK scans as vanilla.

That's why you are one of SK, goon, alien sympathiser or VT.

[Hamilton Brian]

I keep looking at that list and keep thinking that the mafia/alien pool is really small.

[damo666]

I keep looking at that list and keep thinking that the mafia/alien pool is really small.

I don't think there's many. Maybe only 2 to catch. But there might be a surprise lurking.